Fan Ejected

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dad

I can't really tell with the face what your thoughts are on the subject and I'd like to hear them.

I've kicked out numerous fans and never assessed a team technical foul for it.

Just consider whether you believe that teams should be held accountable for the behavior of their spectators and then ponder what impact that would have on the behavior.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Dad

I can't really tell with the face what your thoughts are on the subject and I'd like to hear them.

I've kicked out numerous fans and never assessed a team technical foul for it.

He’s joking. This has been discussed many times over the years. Even if it’s warranted a “T” in this case fixed nothing, and most likely will only make it worse.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dad

I can't really tell with the face what your thoughts are on the subject and I'd like to hear them.

I've kicked out numerous fans and never assessed a team technical foul for it.

Wow, numerous?

[j51969]

Personally, I think officials worry to much about how something looks. If it has risen to this point with any fan, player, or coach deal with it and move on. It was already a disruption, so quickly pause and have GM deal with it. I take none of this personally. I don't officiate for the players, coaches, or fans. I do it because I enjoy it. When that's not the case anymore I will quit.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by j51969

Personally, I think officials worry to much about how something looks. If it has risen to this point with any fan, player, or coach deal with it and move on. It was already a disruption, so quickly pause and have GM deal with it. I take none of this personally. I don't officiate for the players, coaches, or fans. I do it because I enjoy it. When that's not the case anymore I will quit.

Then stop officiating.

Without the Officials Code of Ethics or Missions Statement what is the point of being patched?

[JRutledge]

I saw nothing in the article that suggested the officials were the ones that ejected him from the game. I am going to assume that the officials did not escort him from the building. And depending on what he said, he can be removed at the instruction of the officials. We do not have to put up with his crap. And if he wants to be treated as a regular parent, then sit down and shut up like I believe most parents do for the most part.

Peace

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw nothing in the article that suggested the officials were the ones that ejected him from the game. I am going to assume that the officials did not escort him from the building. And depending on what he said, he can be removed at the instruction of the officials.

It was in the Twitter box via eyewitness account. Not in the article itself.

Correct.

I agree, but what I'm saying is that I'd pass the instruction quietly to game management and let them handle it. If I start to let my emotions get the best of me by stopping the game, pointing at the fan so everyone can see me....then I'll end up like Karl Hess and I don't need that kind of publicity. And if you're thinking, "Well what if it's so bad that it absolutely has to be taken care of immediately," I would hope that game management would already be on top of it if it's that obvious. Of course in this case, I suppose if GM was reluctant to remove a well-known D1 coach and the officials had to do something because GM didn't do their job, that would be more understandable.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It was in the Twitter box via eyewitness account. Not in the article itself.

Correct.

I agree, but what I'm saying is that I'd pass the instruction quietly to game management and let them handle it. If I start to let my emotions get the best of me by stopping the game, pointing at the fan so everyone can see me....then I'll end up like Carl Hess and I don't need that kind of publicity. And if you're thinking, "Well what if it's so bad that it absolutely has to be taken care of immediately," I would hope that game management would already be on top of it if it's that obvious. Of course in this case, I suppose if GM was reluctant to remove a well-known D1 coach and the officials had to do something because GM didn't do their job, that would be more understandable.

Incorrect. It's game managements responsibility to remove unruly fans, especially if it's at our instruction. If they fail to do this duty then I would fail to finish the game. I would then write a report and send it up the ladder. It's that simple. I will not go into the stands to actually do the removal, but I sure as hell would be the one responsible for WHY the fan is being removed.

There is only so much we can do and I sure as hell have 0 desire to want to work at a location that does not provide a safe and stable game environment for the officials.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It was in the Twitter box via eyewitness account. Not in the article itself.

Correct.

I agree, but what I'm saying is that I'd pass the instruction quietly to game management and let them handle it. If I start to let my emotions get the best of me by stopping the game, pointing at the fan so everyone can see me....then I'll end up like Karl Hess and I don't need that kind of publicity. And if you're thinking, "Well what if it's so bad that it absolutely has to be taken care of immediately," I would hope that game management would already be on top of it if it's that obvious. Of course in this case, I suppose if GM was reluctant to remove a well-known D1 coach and the officials had to do something because GM didn't do their job, that would be more understandable.

#1: Please quit using Lime, I cannot see the letters.

#2: How do we know he wasn't quietly pointed out to game mgmt?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

#1: Please quit using Lime, I cannot see the letters.

#2: How do we know he wasn't quietly pointed out to game mgmt?

#1: Sorry.

#2: It's inferred from the Twitter dialogue that an eyewitness said "the official stopped the game....and pointed." Or something like that.

But I don't want to get wrapped around the axle about this particular case because there are a lot of gaps in the details. I was using it as a segue to the broader topic of "what's the best way to handle a situation like this?" Good discussion so far, although I respectfully disagree with deecee's very direct approach. I'm just saying I would at least start by trying to use a middleman (i.e. game manager).

[bob jenkins]

I have used both approaches. It depends on how obnoxious the fan is, whether others already know what the fan is doing (or whether it's a quiet statement to me), how quickly I want the fan gone, where game management is, etc.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

#1: Sorry.

#2: It's inferred from the Twitter dialogue that an eyewitness said "the official stopped the game....and pointed." Or something like that.

But I don't want to get wrapped around the axle about this particular case because there are a lot of gaps in the details. I was using it as a segue to the broader topic of "what's the best way to handle a situation like this?" Good discussion so far, although I respectfully disagree with deecee's very direct approach. I'm just saying I would at least start by trying to use a middleman (i.e. game manager).

I've had one fan removed from a game. I went to game admin, who always sat near the scorer's table at this site. It was obvious that I was the one who had the fan removed b/c I had to walk across the court to inform admin about the situation.

Later in the game (in OT in fact), I called a foul on a defender, who was then taunted by the person he fouled (Tyrod Taylor). When I turn around from reporting everything, there is a fight at the top of the stands between Taylor's dad and the other player's uncle.

IOW, we had a great crowd that night. And bottom line, when I have a unruly crowd like that to deal with, I'm more concerned about safety than I am about the optics.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

#1: Sorry.

#2: It's inferred from the Twitter dialogue that an eyewitness said "the official stopped the game....and pointed." Or something like that.

But I don't want to get wrapped around the axle about this particular case because there are a lot of gaps in the details. I was using it as a segue to the broader topic of "what's the best way to handle a situation like this?" Good discussion so far, although I respectfully disagree with deecee's very direct approach. I'm just saying I would at least start by trying to use a middleman (i.e. game manager).

#2: I'm ok with this. I'll just say to see what bob wrote. I'd normally recommend quietly approaching GM, but sometimes we need to have things move more quickly than that would allow.

[Raymond]

That's what he gets for losing to Tulsa and Missouri St.