DQ mess up

[Rich]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Foul called on Blue 3. Double bonus. After white 4 makes the first free throw, R tells blue coach that was his fifth foul. Coach argues that the free throw can't count because he was entitled to 30 seconds to replace the player who fouled out before the free throw was taken, and therefore it needs to be retaken.

I'm guessing that, not withstanding the lawyer's, er, coach's creativity, that since the coach was not informed it was the 5th foul that the 30 second period never started and the FT stands -- but curious what the actual answer is. (I couldn't hear the dialogue between the ref and the coach, but that is what I inferred was the answer given by the R.)

20 seconds. He gets 20 seconds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

20 seconds. He gets 20 seconds.

I hate it when they change rules and don't remind me about the change every year thereafter.

[Adam]

Coach, you get twenty seconds. And it starts now.

Timer, start the clock.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Coach, you get twenty seconds. And it starts now.

Timer, start the clock.

To the coach: That's 5.

To the timer: Go.

(If the timer doesn't hit the horn at 5 seconds, I'm telling him to give me one, too.)

[ballgame99]

Just out of curiosity has anyone ever teched a coach for slow playing this substitution? Had a coach that was trying to be cute the other night and the thought crossed my mind.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Just out of curiosity has anyone ever teched a coach for slow playing this substitution? Had a coach that was trying to be cute the other night and the thought crossed my mind.

Yes. If a coach wants to spend the entire 20 seconds staring me down or arguing the call, s/he gets no leeway on the time.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes. If a coach wants to spend the entire 20 seconds staring me down or arguing the call, s/he gets no leeway on the time.

What this guy said.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes. If a coach wants to spend the entire 20 seconds staring me down or arguing the call, s/he gets no leeway on the time.

Twice in the last 15 years.

One coach argued he had a minute (back when it was still 30 seconds). At the end of the 30 seconds, I whacked him and walked away.

The other coach -- pretty similar, except he wanted to argue the foul. End of 20 seconds with no sub even talked to, I whacked him and walked away. Partner had to keep him from coming onto the court and in a sense I wish my partner would've shown him the gate.

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Just out of curiosity has anyone ever teched a coach for slow playing this substitution? Had a coach that was trying to be cute the other night and the thought crossed my mind.

Yup, happened to me two weeks ago. Coach had been an ass starting with the first whistle but we had been trying to talk to him. Partner calls a foul which disqualifies his girl; notifies him. Dude just stands there looking at my partner and doesn't send a player in so partner starts the clock. Clock guy doesn't buzz after five seconds so 20 seconds later the horn goes and the coach now tells someone to get up. Too late coach, but partner didn't do anything. The timer kinda screwed things up by not hitting that first horn.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yup, happened to me two weeks ago. Coach had been an ass starting with the first whistle but we had been trying to talk to him. Parter calls a foul which disqualifies his girl; notifies him. Dude just stands there looking at my partner and doesn't send a player in so partner starts the clock. Clock guy doesn't buzz after five seconds so 20 seconds later the horn goes and the coach now tells someone to get up. Too late coach, but partner didn't do anything. The timer kinda screwed things up by not hitting that first horn.

Partner should've said:

"Horn. Now....." after the five seconds had clearly elapsed.

I've seen so many officials screw up the DQ procedure cause they just aren't willing to start the clock and keep things moving. It's not a free timeout for the teams.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Just out of curiosity has anyone ever teched a coach for slow playing this substitution? Had a coach that was trying to be cute the other night and the thought crossed my mind.

He gets 20 seconds. If there isn't a sub on his way to the table by the time I finish the word "five," my next words are to the timer.

I've only had one coach get to 20, and we shot two extra free throws.