Ball-handlers / Freedom of Movement

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Three years old (2011-12):

10-6 : CONTACT
ART. 1 A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress
of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s), or by
bending his/her body into other than a normal position; nor use any rough tactics.
ART. 2 A player shall not contact an opponent with his/her hand unless
such contact is only with the opponent’s hand while it is on the ball and is
incidental to an attempt to play the ball.
ART. 3 A player shall not use his/her hands on an opponent in any way that
inhibits the freedom of movement of the opponent or acts as an aid to a player in
starting or stopping.
ART. 4 A player shall not extend the arm(s) fully or partially other than
vertically so that freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact
with the arms occurs. A player may hold his/her hand(s) and arm(s) in front of
his/her own face or body for protection and to absorb force from an imminent
charge by an opponent.

4-24: ART. 5 It is not legal to use hands on an opponent which in any way inhibits
the freedom of movement of the opponent or acts as an aid to a player in starting
or stopping.
ART. 6 It is not legal to extend the arms fully or partially in a position other
than vertical so that the freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when
contact with the arms occurs. The extension of the elbows when the hands are
on the hips or when the hands are held near the chest or when the arms are held
more or less horizontally are examples of the illegal positions used.

That does not say all the things that is in 10-6-12. I never said there were not contact rules, but they were not descriptive as 10-6-12 and what is in 10-6-12 were once guidelines, not specific rules.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That does not say all the things that is in 10-6-12. I never said there were not contact rules, but they were not descriptive as 10-6-12 and what is in 10-6-12 were once guidelines, not specific rules.

Peace

All the things in 10-6-12 are covered in that. It was not so directly spelled out but since some many were just not getting, they spelled it out in simpler terms.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

All the things in 10-6-12 are covered in that. It was not so directly spelled out but since some many were just not getting, they spelled it out in simpler terms.

If it all covered, why add more to the rule? Never heard anyone say "Two hands on the ball handler is a foul" before the guidelines were created.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it all covered, why add more to the rule? Never heard anyone say "Two hands on the ball handler is a foul" before the guidelines were created.

Peace

Again, thank you for proving my point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again, thank you for proving my point.

If you say so. I did not start calling "Two hands on the dribbler" as an automatic foul in a NF game until they added 10-6-12. I never looked at the other contact rules under 10-6 as the same thing and no one else seemed to believe that because they had to add the last part of that rule.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you say so. I did not start calling "Two hands on the dribbler" as an automatic foul in a NF game until they added 10-6-12. I never looked at the other contact rules under 10-6 as the same thing and no one else seemed to believe that because they had to add the last part of that rule.

Peace

Precisely my point again. You and others were not getting it. They tried to tell us that and since it obviously wan't working for you, they changed the wording to get people to get it. And you're still not realizing you were not getting it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Precisely my point again. You and others were not getting it. They tried to tell us that and since it obviously wan't working for you, they changed the wording to get people to get it. And you're still not realizing you were not getting it.

I get what you are saying, I just do not agree with you. It is OK to disagree. Never heard anyone suggest that 10-6-12 was the interpretation or ever saw that in practice before the rule was put into place.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it all covered, why add more to the rule? Never heard anyone say "Two hands on the ball handler is a foul" before the guidelines were created.

Peace

Because we weren't officiating games the way the rules were telling us to. The NFHS tried on several occasions to get us to. Finally they just said the 4 automatics are what is listed in the 2011-12 10-6 rule, they do have an affect on RSBQ and that it isn't open for interpretation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Because we weren't officiating games the way the rules were telling us to. The NFHS tried on several occasions to get us to. Finally they just said the 4 automatics are what is listed in the 2011-12 10-6 rule, they do have an affect on RSBQ and that it isn't open for interpretation.

I was never told that is what the rules were. People used more RSBQ, but for 10-6-12, we do not use RSBQ. The minute those things happen, they are fouls. I do not wait for anything to decide a foul needs to be called.

Peace