FT Trail Signaling

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Ever since NFHS allowed the players to enter the lane on a free throw's release, I found a new challenge when being the T for 2 man, or C for 3 man. Now, we have to be more conscious about a defender crossing the free-throw line before the ball hits the rim or backboard (delayed violation). This new kink throws me off a bit.

My question has to do with T/C signaling on the last or 1-and-1 free throw. I used to get my hand up immediately on the release. Now, I'm thinking about keeping the hand down until the ball hits the rim/backboard, and raise it immediately if there's no such violation (and chop in on the first touch), or extend the fist outward if there is a violation. In other words, don't signal anything until you know whether there's a violation first.

Thoughts?

I can observe players and hold my hand up at the same time, and so can you. Every captain's meeting I have with HS players I tell them that knocking the shooter off the free throw is not blocking out and a foul will be called.

College ball has been playing off the release for years (before I started officiating) and I never see college players knocking free throw shooters off the line.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

College ball has been playing off the release for years (before I started officiating) and I never see college players knocking free throw shooters off the line.

True, but entering the lane on the release has been part of the college game for a pretty long time. We're only in year two of this rule in NFHS, since its reinstatement, and we're not even talking about knocking the shooter, but merely crossing the FT line. Some coaches are teaching kids to box out the shooter, not knowing crossing the free throw line before the hit "cuts both ways."

Last night, my partner and I had this violation on a defender four times in our two games. The visiting coach (who had both games) didn't understand what we were ruling until I spoke with him at halftime of game two.

But, this is about the signaling. To me, it seems silly to get a hand up immediately, then out if there's a violation. The time frame is too small to do both. Now, it makes more sense to keep the hand down for a second, and raise it immediately on the hit, essentially declaring there is no violation, and start the clock on the chop. Or, signal the delayed violation, if there is one.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

True, but entering the lane on the release has been part of the college game for a pretty long time. We're only in year two of this rule in NFHS, since its reinstatement, and we're not even talking about knocking the shooter, but merely crossing the FT line. Some coaches are teaching kids to box out the shooter, not knowing crossing the free throw line before the hit "cuts both ways."

Last night, my partner and I had this violation on a defender four times in our two games. The visiting coach (who had both games) didn't understand what we were ruling until I spoke with him at halftime of game two.

But, this is about the signaling. To me, it seems silly to get a hand up immediately, then out if there's a violation. The time frame is too small to do both. Now, it makes more sense to keep the hand down for a second, and raise it immediately on the hit, essentially declaring there is no violation, and start the clock on the chop. Or, signal the delayed violation, if there is one.

I don't see how you are getting that many violations without any being fouls.

I'm going to continue to raise my hand on the release because the only violations I ever get are for the shooter, which get an immediate whistle. On that rare occasion that I may ever get a defender violating the free throw line, it'll be accompanied by a balled fist, not a delayed violation signal.

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't see how you are getting that many violations without any being fouls.

Really? I've had a couple of violatiosn this year, but noting close to a foul (on this play). It's a violation to cross; it's not a foul until there's contact that creates an advantage.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? I've had a couple of violatiosn this year, but noting close to a foul (on this play). It's a violation to cross; it's not a foul until there's contact that creates an advantage.

Had two today. Both home team in A game and coach didn't know the rule. This was a junior high game but have been seeing it pretty regular. Coaches haven't changed their ways yet on boxing out the shooter and it's a violation if they cross before shot hits rim


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

True, but entering the lane on the release has been part of the college game for a pretty long time. We're only in year two of this rule in NFHS, since its reinstatement, and we're not even talking about knocking the shooter, but merely crossing the FT line. Some coaches are teaching kids to box out the shooter, not knowing crossing the free throw line before the hit "cuts both ways."

Last night, my partner and I had this violation on a defender four times in our two games. The visiting coach (who had both games) didn't understand what we were ruling until I spoke with him at halftime of game two.

But, this is about the signaling. To me, it seems silly to get a hand up immediately, then out if there's a violation. The time frame is too small to do both. Now, it makes more sense to keep the hand down for a second, and raise it immediately on the hit, essentially declaring there is no violation, and start the clock on the chop. Or, signal the delayed violation, if there is one.

Everyone in the gym usually knows what I called, especially on "new" rules.