Official scorer

[yankeesfan]

If home team has a young kid has a score keeper in a varsity game, is it possible to make the adult the official scorer even though from visiting team? I thought the rule book stated something about this w few years ago but I can't find it now.


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[Freddy]

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[SCalScoreKeeper]

This happened to me about 3 years ago in a varsity girls game.The kid that was handling book for the host school couldn't have been more than 8 years old.When I saw that I asked the officials if it was okay if I could be the official book for this game and they said ok.As a courtesy I went and told the host coach about the officials redesignating me as official book.
I went just out of curiosity and looked at his book at the break.The kid knew his stuff but if something went wrong in that game I wanted the heat to be on me instead of the kid.How often do you see schools who put young kids like this in that position and what as associations do you do about it other than redesignating the visitor book as official?

[BlueDevilRef]

Is this just a ploy to get a hot mom from the crowd to come sit at the table


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[yankeesfan]

At a 7th and 8th grade game tonight the timer was a young kid and both games turned into a debacle. He made so many mistakes that it turned ugly for the officials. They need to have adults working the table.


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Was the kid spectrum? If yes then no problem.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

That's the way it usually is at most places in our league.There are a few who employ HS students who do at least a passable job but most have teachers or other off campus personnel come in to work

[refinks]

Speaking off non-school staff, I have found that it is extremely hard, at least in my area, to get schools to allow me to work their table. I've got 2 middle schools that I've got an in with to work their table on Monday and Thursday nights, but as far as the high schools go, they all seem to want to use their own staff.

I was hoping to take the year off to rest up and heal some injuries and get myself back in a little better shape, but I fear I'm going to be doing a lot more officiating than I wanted this season.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

At a 7th and 8th grade game tonight the timer was a young kid and both games turned into a debacle. He made so many mistakes that it turned ugly for the officials. They need to have adults working the table.


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Seems like you're blaming the table for a game you should have controlled. Just an observation, I wasn't there and may have had the same issues.

I've had some fairly worthless tables, but I still consider them part of my team. If anyone gives them attitude I'll step in instantly and make sure everything is directed at me. During summer ball or lower level leagues a good table just isn't going to be a sure thing. I'm of the mindset that no one messes with the table. Moment anything gets out of hand I'll talk to both coaches and if they don't control stuff I will.

I have thrown a couple tables out, but I don't tolerate the table complaining about foul counts and such for their team. You're on my team or you can leave.

[SNIPERBBB]

I wouldn't preemptively replace the scorer unless there is a real problem. I've had problems with adults and officials doing the books than kids but I've never had to redisgnate an official book, at least not in basketball.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I wouldn't preemptively replace the scorer unless there is a real problem.

Agree. One possible exception may be when the official scorer offers that he, or she, is new at the table, and accepts my recommendation that the more experienced visitor scorer be the official scorer, and the home scorer observes to learn.

[yankeesfan]

Originally Posted by Dad

Seems like you're blaming the table for a game you should have controlled. Just an observation, I wasn't there and may have had the same issues.



I've had some fairly worthless tables, but I still consider them part of my team. If anyone gives them attitude I'll step in instantly and make sure everything is directed at me. During summer ball or lower level leagues a good table just isn't going to be a sure thing. I'm of the mindset that no one messes with the table. Moment anything gets out of hand I'll talk to both coaches and if they don't control stuff I will.



I have thrown a couple tables out, but I don't tolerate the table complaining about foul counts and such for their team. You're on my team or you can leave.

First of all I was there observing and not officiating. Secondly, the officials tried their best to work with them but they were just awful. Nothing could of been done but get new ones.


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

First of all I was there observing and not officiating. Secondly, the officials tried their best to work with them but they were just awful. Nothing could of been done but get new ones.


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I have labels and generals directions in my bag for table personnel, haha. Only thing that drives me crazy is when they forget to stop/start the clock 50% of the time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dad

only thing that drives me crazy is when they forget to stop /start the clock 50% of the time.

fify.

[refinks]

This never happens in my area, at any type of school level, middle school or high school. It is always adults at the table, usually some kind of staff member of the school. Once in a while, for middle school games, there will be a team manager of the visiting team at the table keeping the visiting teams book, but as far as official scorekeeper and clock operator, it's always a staff member of the home school.