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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:02am
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Guys,
Can we stay focused and just answer the NFHS question please?
I am interested how you would answer the question on a test.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:29am
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Guys,
Can we stay focused and just answer the NFHS question please?
I am interested how you would answer the question on a test.
Tough for me to be any more clear than what I had in post 3. "It should be true but it IS false.....doesnt say physician or a writing in the rules."

I'll try harder next time....
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:25am
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Can we stay focused and just answer the NFHS question please?
I am interested how you would answer the question on a test.
I already did that, and posted a citation.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:30pm
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Appropriate Health Care Professionals ???

In Connecticut, all interscholastic coaches, middle school, through high school, including assistant coaches, and "volunteer" coaches, for all sports, get mandatory concussion training, and are, thus, considered appropriate health care professionals.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:39pm
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In Connecticut all interscholastic coaches, middle school, through high school, including assistant coaches, and "volunteer" coaches, for all sports, get mandatory concussion training, and are, thus, considered appropriate health care professionals.
They can't be serious. Wow.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:57pm
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They can't be serious.
Hey. It could have been worse.

The State of Connecticut legislature considered a law to get sports officials trained in dealing with concussions, but our state interscholastic sports governing body, that includes an officials organization component, lobbied on behalf of officials keep us out of the process. Thankfully, the legislators followed the advice of the state interscholastic sports governing body. Eventually, the State legislature decided to make annual concussion training, along with first aid, CPR , etc., mandatory for coaches to be licensed.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:39pm
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Eventually, the State legislature decided to make annual concussion training, along with first aid, CPR , etc., mandatory for coaches to be licensed.
That's good. And, many states have this (or similar).

Making them "health care professionals" for purposes of the rule being discussed is nuts.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:57pm
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That's good. And, many states have this (or similar).

Making them "health care professionals" for purposes of the rule being discussed is nuts.
+100

There's a huge difference between being trained to recognize the signs/symptoms of a possible concussion and being able to evaluate the effects and if a player should be allowed to return to play. The potential liability issues alone are huge. Leave it to the true professionals.

As the knowledge of the effects of TBI has grown, it's become clear that the emphasis has to be on the safety of the student athlete. Rightly, the philosophy is "when in doubt, sit them out".
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Old Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:52am
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Hey. It could have been worse.

The State of Connecticut legislature considered a law to get sports officials trained in dealing with concussions, but our state interscholastic sports governing body, that includes an officials organization component, lobbied on behalf of officials keep us out of the process. Thankfully, the legislators followed the advice of the state interscholastic sports governing body. Eventually, the State legislature decided to make annual concussion training, along with first aid, CPR , etc., mandatory for coaches to be licensed.
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They can't be serious. Wow.
Well Illinois has a law that requires coaches to have some concussion training to be able to coach scholastic sports on some level. Now that does not make them "Approved Healthcare Professionals" where they can evaluate or approve a kid to play. There is a law for schools to have someone at games to approve or monitor these things and they have to be registered with the IHSA so if something happens those are the people that can be called on.

I am hearing that we as officials might soon be required to pass some kind of concussion testing so that we can officiate IHSA games, but I have not seen that approved yet.

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Old Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:18am
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In Pennsylvania, PIAA has clarified "that 'an appropriate health-care professional' is a licensed physician of medicine or osteopathic medicine (MD or DO)."
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Old Sun Nov 22, 2015, 04:16am
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After seeing several of the responses, I am now going to inform everyone that the question in the OP is from the NFHS 3-person mechanics exam and that the answer listed is true.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:48pm
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This is a typical sitch wherein "common-sense" has collided with a "verbatim" reading of the NF. Of course any "reasonable person" would not allow A1 to re-enter the game; however, if coach wants his best player in--who had previously been hearing only crickets chirping and eyes have rolled in back of head after getting an elbow to his head's temple--back in the game. Then calls over a score table woman who is also the school nurse/cafeteria manager/detention hall monitor [i.e., read as "quasi healthcare pro"] then gets an "all clear OK" from her--then the refs cannot disallow A1 from re-entering the contest.
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