rules question from my pickup game

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Way to many factors here to give you a clear answer.

Basically if the ball has been blocked the prevailing theory would then require you determine if the contact was incidental or not.

Beyond determing how much contact, whether it leads to rough play and if the player was impeded or disadvantaged (See how easy it is) . . .

There has basically never been any rough play in this game, today included. The shooter was not impeded from getting the rebound, although if there had just been the block and no bump on the arm, his odds of making the shot would probably be higher (the ball still got up near the rim).

BTW, the defender didn't knock the ball out of the shooter's hands. Think about a shooter who has the ball smacked while he's getting ready to shoot, but he can still shoot it.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

1) We don't know if the shooter is in the air. While the ruling might be the same often the idea/concept of protecting an airborne shooter vs player in the act of shooting vs regular non shooting player are all very different for not only officials but those paying officials. If I block a set shot and bump you or hit your arm on the way down, might in theory be the same as if I did it while you were still 8 inches off the floor. Often they are not call/seen the same.

Set shot. We don't jump like we used to.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

2) Granted this is pick up game but in the context of a real game how frequently its happening both ways or previous interactions between players could weigh into the decision.

Mellow. Stakes pretty much couldn't be any lower.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

3) Also you say moderate contact. That descriptor is not definitive or universal. You will often see in discussions here one officials marginal is beyond another's threshold for impactful. What we deem as exccessive is often debated as well. Moderate doesn't mean anything beyond what it means to you.

Definitely not excessive. Think a small bump on the arm after hitting the ball. It's the kind of contact that we probably wouldn't call on a layup, but we would call on a midrange shot like this one (which is why it led to a discussion).