Delay during FTs

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BigCat

In the second scenario, when the shot goes in there is no violation penalized. It is delayed but ignored when ball goes in. In effect it is not a violation. Had the shot been missed you would penalize the violation with another FT. If they still aren't in place it is a T. If you actually penalize a violation and the same team violates again it is a T. Thx

This is sort of what I was thinking, as well. But it seems to me that the rule (8-1-2) doesn't actually say that.

The rule seems to say use the RPP once, then call a T. In order for that to correspond with what you're saying (which I think is probably right, just so I'm clear), we have to interpret "using the RPP" to mean "a violation is called following the RPP", and I don't see that those things are the same.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is sort of what I was thinking, as well. But it seems to me that the rule (8-1-2) doesn't actually say that.

The rule seems to say use the RPP once, then call a T. In order for that to correspond with what you're saying (which I think is probably right, just so I'm clear), we have to interpret "using the RPP" to mean "a violation is called following the RPP", and I don't see that those things are the same.

8-1-2 says use the RPP. Then it says --- "Following a VIOLATION by one or both teams, if offending team continues to delay..." call a T. It doesnt say use the RPP once and then call T. When the shot goes in on the second scenario the violation is not called/penalized. Had the shot missed you would call/penalize and award a sub FT. If the team continues to delay now you call a T.

Using the RPP itself doesnt trigger the T. If you use it and have to call a violation on a team then, if same team does it again you call the T. thx

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BigCat

8-1-2 says use the RPP. Then it says --- "Following a VIOLATION by one or both teams, if offending team continues to delay..." call a T. It doesnt say use the RPP once and then call T. When the shot goes in on the second scenario the violation is not called/penalized. Had the shot missed you would call/penalize and award a sub FT. If the team continues to delay now you call a T.

Using the RPP itself doesnt trigger the T. If you use it and have to call a violation on a team then, if same team does it again you call the T. thx

To take this a little further, and correct me if I'm wrong...

In 9.1.2, the technical foul is called when the ball becomes live (at the disposal of the free throw shooter). So you would clear the lane, have the shooter attempt the substitute free throw, and then administer the technical foul free throws (which anybody can shoot) and throw-in.

Now, unlike in 9.1.2, let's say the free thrower misses the first attempt, leading to a violation by the non-shooting team, followed by a technical foul when the ball becomes live for the substitute free throw. You would then clear the lane, let the free throw shooter attempt the substitute FT for the first attempt and get another attempt if it's made, and then administer the free throws and throw-in for the technical foul.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

To take this a little further, and correct me if I'm wrong...

In 9.1.2, the technical foul is called when the ball becomes live (at the disposal of the free throw shooter). So you would clear the lane, have the shooter attempt the substitute free throw, and then administer the technical foul free throws (which anybody can shoot) and throw-in.

Now, unlike in 9.1.2, let's say the free thrower misses the first attempt, leading to a violation by the non-shooting team, followed by a technical foul when the ball becomes live for the substitute free throw. You would then clear the lane, let the free throw shooter attempt the substitute FT for the first attempt and get another attempt if it's made, and then administer the free throws and throw-in for the technical foul.

Yes.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BigCat

8-1-2 says use the RPP. Then it says --- "Following a VIOLATION by one or both teams, if offending team continues to delay..." call a T.

BINGO! Thank you. That's exactly the part I read too quickly. That makes perfect sense.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

In the second scenario, when the shot goes in there is no violation penalized. It is delayed but ignored when ball goes in. In effect it is not a violation. Had the shot been missed you would penalize the violation with another FT. If they still aren't in place it is a T. If you actually penalize a violation and the same team violates again it is a T. Thx

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is sort of what I was thinking, as well. But it seems to me that the rule (8-1-2) doesn't actually say that.

The rule seems to say use the RPP once, then call a T. In order for that to correspond with what you're saying (which I think is probably right, just so I'm clear), we have to interpret "using the RPP" to mean "a violation is called following the RPP", and I don't see that those things are the same.

This fits my thought process on this as well. Is there another RPP situation where a T would be called without a violation being penalized first?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

This fits my thought process on this as well. Is there another RPP situation where a T would be called without a violation being penalized first?

I dont think so off top of my head.