Help the basketball ref with the balk rule

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Manny, I think the key here is failing to pitch to the batter with one "continuous" motion. The "hanging leg" can certainly be the culprit to call a Balk. If "as described" it sounds like a candidate for a balk. A good lefty will always give you fits.

If as described" it sounds like a candidate for a balk.

[ozzy6900]

If the LHP comes to a complete halt with that leg in the air - nothing moving - that's a balk. You can call it a double set or start & stop, but it's a balk. Now, if the LHP is real good, he'll be leaning forward and/or "curling up". Then, he better go to the plate.

[KCOfficial]

Thanks guys! I appreciate the insight. Much more thoughtful than listening to a coach tell me emphatically that it is a rule that a pitcher can hang his leg for 3 seconds, I should know better than to talk to a coach about rules.

Thanks again guys.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by KCOfficial

Much more thoughtful than listening to a coach tell me emphatically that it is a rule that a pitcher can hang his leg for 3 seconds...

Where do these yayhoos come up with this crap anyway? Three seconds? It says that in a rule book somewhere? Really, coach??

Unfreakingbelievable.

[David B]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

If the LHP comes to a complete halt with that leg in the air - nothing moving - that's a balk. You can call it a double set or start & stop, but it's a balk. Now, if the LHP is real good, he'll be leaning forward and/or "curling up". Then, he better go to the plate.

I agree totally. Most of the time the pitcher uses the "hanging leg" to freeze the runner and continues to the plate.

But in the play, he went to the base - that would be a balk in my games.

Thanks
David

[Kw parent]

I was wondering if I could get feedback on a different scenario.

My son is a RHP.

With a runner on 2b he works out of the stretch. While engaged with the rubber he lifts his non-pivot leg in the normal fashion. While his non-pivot leg is coming up he turns his head (only his head) to check the runner. Then he turns his head back towards HP and completes pitch to the plate.

There is no pause or interruption in his movement. He just looks to 2b while in his movement.

Opposing coaches complain it is a balk but umpires disagree.

I am wondering if coaches might be right. It is not an interruption of his regular movement but it is an alteration and it is deceptive because he can easily continue pivoting to 2b in one movement and attempt a pick-off throw.

Part 2 to this question comes from my son in the event the prevailing opinion is that it is a balk. That is, why is a slide step allowed because that is also an alteration of his normal movement.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Kw parent

I was wondering if I could get feedback on a different scenario.

My son is a RHP.

With a runner on 2b he works out of the stretch. While engaged with the rubber he lifts his non-pivot leg in the normal fashion. While his non-pivot leg is coming up he turns his head (only his head) to check the runner. Then he turns his head back towards HP and completes pitch to the plate.

There is no pause or interruption in his movement. He just looks to 2b while in his movement.

Opposing coaches complain it is a balk but umpires disagree.

I am wondering if coaches might be right. It is not an interruption of his regular movement but it is an alteration and it is deceptive because he can easily continue pivoting to 2b in one movement and attempt a pick-off throw.

Part 2 to this question comes from my son in the event the prevailing opinion is that it is a balk. That is, why is a slide step allowed because that is also an alteration of his normal movement.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

No rule requires that the motion be consistent.

No rule makes moving the head a balk.

A pitcher's job is to deceive. If he wasn't allowed to deceive he'd have to announce the pitch type and location. He just has to do it within the rules.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

No rule requires that the motion be consistent.

No rule makes moving the head a balk.

A pitcher's job is to deceive. If he wasn't allowed to deceive he'd have to announce the pitch type and location. He just has to do it within the rules.

Rich,

Great job of explaining that it IS the pitchers job to deceive !!!!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kw parent

I am wondering if coaches might be right.

Stop wondering. They aren't. (as described)

[David B]

Originally Posted by Kw parent

I was wondering if I could get feedback on a different scenario.

My son is a RHP.

With a runner on 2b he works out of the stretch. While engaged with the rubber he lifts his non-pivot leg in the normal fashion. While his non-pivot leg is coming up he turns his head (only his head) to check the runner. Then he turns his head back towards HP and completes pitch to the plate.

There is no pause or interruption in his movement. He just looks to 2b while in his movement.

Opposing coaches complain it is a balk but umpires disagree.

I am wondering if coaches might be right. It is not an interruption of his regular movement but it is an alteration and it is deceptive because he can easily continue pivoting to 2b in one movement and attempt a pick-off throw.

Part 2 to this question comes from my son in the event the prevailing opinion is that it is a balk. That is, why is a slide step allowed because that is also an alteration of his normal movement.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

I don't understand what a coach would be complaining about - that just shows that their understanding of baseball is a minimum.

Have they never heard of Luis Tiant? He comes to mind…

As Rich stated, there is nothing in the rules that prevents what he is doing.
As long as he continues his motion to pitch he is fine.

Thanks
David

[jicecone]

It is not an interruption of his regular movement but it is an alteration and it is deceptive because he can easily continue pivoting to 2b in one movement and attempt a pick-off throw.

CORRECTION

It is not an interruption of his regular movement but it is an alteration which is legal in the sport of Baseball. He is also allowed to continue pivoting to 2b in one movement and attempt a pick-off throw.

[Out]

Originally Posted by Kw parent

I was wondering if I could get feedback on a different scenario.

My son is a RHP.

With a runner on 2b he works out of the stretch. While engaged with the rubber he lifts his non-pivot leg in the normal fashion. While his non-pivot leg is coming up he turns his head (only his head) to check the runner. Then he turns his head back towards HP and completes pitch to the plate.

There is no pause or interruption in his movement. He just looks to 2b while in his movement.

Opposing coaches complain it is a balk but umpires disagree.

I am wondering if coaches might be right. It is not an interruption of his regular movement but it is an alteration and it is deceptive because he can easily continue pivoting to 2b in one movement and attempt a pick-off throw.

Part 2 to this question comes from my son in the event the prevailing opinion is that it is a balk. That is, why is a slide step allowed because that is also an alteration of his normal movement.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

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[JJ]

Two words: Fernando Valenzuela.

JJ

[Robert E. Harrison]

Originally Posted by JJ

Two words: Fernando Valenzuela.

JJ

I thought he looked toward heaven