Foul Tip

[Robert Goodman]

Can't watch the video, but does it make a difference? If he caught it before it hit the ground, isn't it either a fly out or a foul tip held by the catcher after 2 previous strikes? I could see differences if further plays were possible, but as to the batter, isn't he out either way? Or is there some in-between where a ball hit into foul ground can neither be caught there for an out nor considered a tip direct to the catcher?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Can't watch the video, but does it make a difference? If he caught it before it hit the ground, isn't it either a fly out or a foul tip held by the catcher after 2 previous strikes? I could see differences if further plays were possible, but as to the batter, isn't he out either way? Or is there some in-between where a ball hit into foul ground can neither be caught there for an out nor considered a tip direct to the catcher?

Ditto on not watching the video (could not even follow the link), but to be a foul tip, it must first hit the glove or hand. If it first hits the mask, or protector, or thigh, then it's just a foul ball.

[JR12]

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JR12

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This takes you to a way to download an app. You probably should use a more direct link.

That being said, this was a foul ball. He never caught the ball with his glove.

Peace

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This takes you to a way to download an app. You probably should use a more direct link.

That being said, this was a foul ball. He never caught the ball with his glove.

Peace

And, it was not a fly ball. But what did the ump see and rule to get an out?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by umpjim

And, it was not a fly ball. But what did the ump see and rule to get an out?

Well the ball never hit the ground. I think umpire assumed he caught the ball and it appears no one challenged that ruling.

Peace

[JR12]

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[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Ditto on not watching the video (could not even follow the link), but to be a foul tip, it must first hit the glove or hand. If it first hits the mask, or protector, or thigh, then it's just a foul ball.

Where does it have to go to qualify as a fly ball that can be caught for an out? And is it possible to satisfy that criterion after hitting the catcher's body or equipment? Our gym teacher gave us a standard (6' over the catcher's head) that I've been told here was not correct.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Where does it have to go to qualify as a fly ball that can be caught for an out? And is it possible to satisfy that criterion after hitting the catcher's body or equipment? Our gym teacher gave us a standard (6' over the catcher's head) that I've been told here was not correct.

OBS - "A fly ball is a batted ball that goes high in the air in flight".

NFHS - "A fly ball is a batted ball that rises an appreciable height above the ground."

NCAA - A batted ball that goes high in the air directly off the bat.

I think the NCAA definition using the word highlighted, answers your question for all codes. You, as the umpire, are to make the determination what "high in the air" or "appreciable height" means.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by jicecone

OBS - "A fly ball is a batted ball that goes high in the air in flight".

NFHS - "A fly ball is a batted ball that rises an appreciable height above the ground."

NCAA - A batted ball that goes high in the air directly off the bat.

I think the NCAA definition using the word highlighted, answers your question for all codes. You, as the umpire, are to make the determination what "high in the air" or "appreciable height" means.

Then would it not be possible to line out to 1B or 3B if the catch is made in foul ground? Or...wait a minute...is it not possible to line out anywhere? But wait again...Matt wrote:

A ball doesn't have to be a fly ball to be caught for an out.

Ok, that's something of a relief. So what kinds of ball can be caught for an out? Are the criteria different in fair & foul ground? Or different for catchers from other players?

I'm looking at NCAA 7-11 now, and I don't see any provision for a catch of anything other than a fly ball or foul tip to make an out. Which does seem to mean you can't line out, fair or foul. Did they sneak it in someplace else?

The definition of "catch" is interesting too. When it says "the fielder does not use...any...part of the uniform in getting possession", does that mean only loose-fitting parts of the uniform that can extend a distance from the body, or does it include any cloth covering any of the player's skin, no matter how closely? And does "use" cover inadvertent deflections, or only deliberate use?

[soundedlikeastrike]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Then would it not be possible to line out to 1B or 3B if the catch is made in foul ground? Or...wait a minute...is it not possible to line out anywhere? But wait again...Matt wrote:

Ok, that's something of a relief. So what kinds of ball can be caught for an out? Are the criteria different in fair & foul ground? Or different for catchers from other players?

I'm looking at NCAA 7-11 now, and I don't see any provision for a catch of anything other than a fly ball or foul tip to make an out. Which does seem to mean you can't line out, fair or foul. Did they sneak it in someplace else?

The definition of "catch" is interesting too. When it says "the fielder does not use...any...part of the uniform in getting possession", does that mean only loose-fitting parts of the uniform that can extend a distance from the body, or does it include any cloth covering any of the player's skin, no matter how closely? And does "use" cover inadvertent deflections, or only deliberate use?

I think they snuck it in. This leads me to believe if it could of qualified as a foul tip, but didn't hit the hand or glove, then it's a foul ball.

From OBR foul tip; the last sentence.

"It is not a catch if it is a rebound, unless the ball has first
touched the catcher’s glove or hand."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Ok, that's something of a relief. So what kinds of ball can be caught for an out? Are the criteria different in fair & foul ground? Or different for catchers from other players?

I'm looking at NCAA 7-11 now, and I don't see any provision for a catch of anything other than a fly ball or foul tip to make an out. Which does seem to mean you can't line out, fair or foul. Did they sneak it in someplace else?

The definition of "catch" is interesting too. When it says "the fielder does not use...any...part of the uniform in getting possession", does that mean only loose-fitting parts of the uniform that can extend a distance from the body, or does it include any cloth covering any of the player's skin, no matter how closely? And does "use" cover inadvertent deflections, or only deliberate use?

The key words in the "foul tip" definition are "sharp and direct". If it first hits the catcher's hand or glove, then it's a strike. If it hits the catcher or umpire first, then it's foul (and also not technical a "foul tip", but I digress).

Any other batted ball that's caught in flight is an out.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Then would it not be possible to line out to 1B or 3B if the catch is made in foul ground? Or...wait a minute...is it not possible to line out anywhere? But wait again...Matt wrote:

Ok, that's something of a relief. So what kinds of ball can be caught for an out? Are the criteria different in fair & foul ground? Or different for catchers from other players?

I'm looking at NCAA 7-11 now, and I don't see any provision for a catch of anything other than a fly ball or foul tip to make an out. Which does seem to mean you can't line out, fair or foul. Did they sneak it in someplace else?

The definition of "catch" is interesting too. When it says "the fielder does not use...any...part of the uniform in getting possession", does that mean only loose-fitting parts of the uniform that can extend a distance from the body, or does it include any cloth covering any of the player's skin, no matter how closely? And does "use" cover inadvertent deflections, or only deliberate use?

So if your trying to tell us that the rules are not always clear and can sometimes be outright confusing, YOUR RIGHT!

But, Dems Da Rules and sometimes you just have to umpire by prior interprtations and precedence and not logic, feelings or the way your local sportscaster thinks it should be.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by jicecone

So if your trying to tell us that the rules are not always clear and can sometimes be outright confusing, YOUR RIGHT!

No, not just that, but that the rules writers of at least OBR & NCAA have been evading fixing up an omission for many years. I can't believe nobody's called to their att'n the fact that the provision for a line out is missing.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

And is it possible to satisfy that criterion after hitting the catcher's body or equipment? .

No.

2.00 A FOUL TIP is a batted ball that goes sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher’s
hands and is legally caught. It is not a foul tip unless caught and any foul tip that is caught
is a strike, and the ball is in play. It is not a catch if it is a rebound, unless the ball has first touched the catcher’s glove or hand.