Abandonment (BRD example play)

[MD Longhorn]

If the runner ran straight to center field, he did not MISS 2nd base.

If the runner ran to THIRD, and was then appealed at 2nd, then he missed 2nd base. And in OBR interpretations (generally) the status of the runner at the time of the miss is what we go by - so a run would not count.

A more interesting argument could be made if this happened to be our left fielder... is it now a miss of 2nd?

The OP? I see no way to wipe this run off the board.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

And in OBR interpretations (generally) the status of the runner at the time of the miss is what we go by - so a run would not count.

I guess the question would be this: When did the "miss" (of the base) occur in relation to the force play being erased?

Are you saying the following?

If R1 missed 2nd (presumably on his way to 3rd or simply overrunning the base) prior to BR being retired, a subsequent appeal would be considered a force play. R3's run would not count.

If R1 missed 2nd after BR was retired, a subsequent appeal would not be considered a force play. R3's run counts.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

I guess the question would be this: When did the "miss" (of the base) occur in relation to the force play being erased?

Are you saying the following?

If R1 missed 2nd (presumably on his way to 3rd or simply overrunning the base) prior to BR being retired, a subsequent appeal would be considered a force play. R3's run would not count.

If R1 missed 2nd after BR was retired, a subsequent appeal would not be considered a force play. R3's run counts.

I am saying that ... at least in OBR.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

A more interesting argument could be made if this happened to be our left fielder... is it now a miss of 2nd?

The criteria for abandonment is somewhat subjective and is a judgement call on the part of the umpire.

Is the runner still attempting to run the bases?

If the answer is no, then it's probably abandonment.

If, in the umpire's opinion, the wandering runner is heading out to his position in left field, I do not think it is relevant that he "passed" 2nd base and I think you can argue that he did not miss it, rather, he never attempted to obtain the base in the first place.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

The criteria for abandonment is somewhat subjective and is a judgement call on the part of the umpire.

Is the runner still attempting to run the bases?

If the answer is no, then it's probably abandonment.

If, in the umpire's opinion, the wandering runner is heading out to his position in left field, I do not think it is relevant that he "passed" 2nd base and I think you can argue that he did not miss it, rather, he never attempted to obtain the base in the first place.

A valid point. And I think this is where I'd lean, generally. But I can see the other side.

If a sliding runner had a tag attempt made on him and he thought he was out, so aborted his slide and overran 2nd, and then seeing the out at first began jogging to the outfield ... when did the abandonment occur, and did he "pass" 2nd base before that? Maybe.