Courtesy runner implementation

[john5396]

Also, one reminder since you are new to NFHS courtesy runner rule. Dont allow runner for a projected substitute.

Coach: Runner for #7
Umpire: Coach #7 is not F1 or F2...
Coach: #7 is going to pitch next inning
Umpire: cannot allow a courtesy runner till he has been on the mound..

Coaches who know the rule still try and get away with this one, so in a state just using the CR rule, your going to see it alot.

[Manny A]

Wow, some people tend to overcomplicate things, IMHO.

All I do is annotate the CR's number and inning right next to name of the current F1 or F2 (and not in the "Substitutes" column of the lineup card). For example:

#8 F1 SMITH, B. CR12(3)
#2 F6 WALKER, R
#6 F2 JONES, J. CR16(4)

This means #12 courtesy ran for F1 in the third, and #16 CR'ed for #6 in the fourth. I don't use the back of my lineup card for anything.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Wow, some people tend to overcomplicate things, IMHO.

All I do is annotate the CR's number and inning right next to name of the current F1 or F2 (and not in the "Substitutes" column of the lineup card). For example:

#8 F1 SMITH, B. CR12(3)
#2 F6 WALKER, R
#6 F2 JONES, J. CR16(4)

This means #12 courtesy ran for F1 in the third, and #16 CR'ed for #6 in the fourth. I don't use the back of my lineup card for anything.

I, personally, would find that method confusing -- what do you do if Smith and Jones swap spots? 12 can still only run for the pitcher (who is now Jones) and 16 can still only run for the catcher (who is now Smith).

So, I guess the point to the OP is -- find a method that works for you -- consistent with how you already record other game events.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I, personally, would find that method confusing -- what do you do if Smith and Jones swap spots? 12 can still only run for the pitcher (who is now Jones) and 16 can still only run for the catcher (who is now Smith).

Honestly, I've never thought of that, and I can't recall that it has ever happened. I suppose I could make the changes to my card as follows:

#8 XX F2(5) SMITH, B. XXXXXX CR16(_)
#2 F6 WALKER, R
#6 XX F1(5) JONES, J. XXXXXX CR12(_)

Sorry; couldn't do line-thru, so I used Xs. But it would actually be a line through the changes so I can see them. If 12 or 16 don't CR for them, or someone else does, no biggie; I just line through those new annotations.

And, Yes, I make my changes quite small.

[Mrumpiresir]

At the pregame meeting I do emphasize that it is a speed up rule so "coaches, please have your courtesy runner ready to go".

12 CRP --3
16 CRC -- 5
Works for me.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by john5396

Also, one reminder since you are new to NFHS courtesy runner rule. Dont allow runner for a projected substitute.

The other thing they try to get away with is using the same runner for both the pitcher and the catcher, especially if it's in a different inning. (Some codes apparently allow this.)

[rbmartin]

Page 64 NFHS rule book:
7) A player who violates the courtesy-runner rule is considered to be an illegal substitute.

Do I use the penalty prescribed in Rule 3 Art 1. (calling the player out)
Is it my job to prevent an illegal substitution or let the cheating/incompetent coach commit the infraction and penalize it after the fact?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Page 64 NFHS rule book:
7) A player who violates the courtesy-runner rule is considered to be an illegal substitute.

Do I use the penalty prescribed in Rule 3 Art 1. (calling the player out)
Is it my job to prevent an illegal substitution or let the cheating/incompetent coach commit the infraction and penalize it after the fact?

Yes you use the penalty, and yes you should prevent it if you can, just like any other "substitution"

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes you use the penalty, and yes you should prevent it if you can, just like any other "substitution"

Just be aware that knowledgeable coaches may burn a re-entry and sub and send the wrong courtesy runner out as a pinch runner in certain situations. The will usually tell you that it's a pinch runner. If the coach sends out the wrong runner you can tell them that he can't courtesy run. Opinions differ about whether you can point out the ability to PR to the coach. Since this is a new thing in your area it might be acceptable