Is an on-deck batter required?

[Manny A]

It's entirely conceivable that Alvarez was taking his place in the on-deck circle to assist R3 (Stanton) with a Slide or Stand Up signal should play warrant it. I believe the rules allow the ODB to serve that purpose.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

It's entirely conceivable that Alvarez was taking his place in the on-deck circle to assist R3 (Stanton) with a Slide or Stand Up signal should play warrant it. I believe the rules allow the ODB to serve that purpose.

It's also conceivable (and quite likely) that he was taking his place in the on-deck circle because A) he was the next batter up and B) he (or someone) is required to be there.

[tommyleo]

Originally Posted by Manny A

It's entirely conceivable that Alvarez was taking his place in the on-deck circle to assist R3 (Stanton) with a Slide or Stand Up signal should play warrant it. I believe the rules allow the ODB to serve that purpose.

I considered that, but I could not think of a (likely) play with bases loaded, tie score, and two out in the bottom of the 9th that would warrant an on-deck hitter to assist R3 -- especially when he's on-deck in front of the third-base dugout. R3 would typically score easily if the batter reaches first base safely. And even in the unlikely event of a dribbler in front of the mound (where the pitcher elects to try for the force play at home), R3 will have the entire play in front of him and the on-deck batter couldn't get in position fast enough to assist anyway.

On a WP or PB, the batter guides R3. No help needed from the on-deck batter -- unless (and here's is the ridiculously unlikely scenario)...

A WP barely misses the batter, who falls to the ground and can't get up because he tore something while avoiding the pitch. (Therefore, the batter can't assist the runner, as typically happens during a WP.) The third base coach can't help either because the ball caroms to a spot where the umpire or catcher is blocking the view of the ball of both the runner and that coach. However, the on-deck batter sees the play and can assist the runner. Happens all the time!

OK, so there was indeed an infinitesimal chance that an on-deck batter could have helped R3 there. Still doesn't explain why the deck-batter was swinging a bat.

[MD Longhorn]

Why are we looking for a motive or some squirrelly reason that he was there.

He was there because that's what you do when you're next.

[tommyleo]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

He was there because that's what you do when you're next.

Right. Except that in this case, he was not going to be next. That's the point of this discussion, which is admittedly based on many hypotheticals. But that can be fun sometimes.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by tommyleo

Right. Except that in this case, he was not going to be next. That's the point of this discussion, which is admittedly based on many hypotheticals. But that can be fun sometimes.

Because he's a Yogi Berra fan: It ain't over till it's over.

Rita

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by tommyleo

But that can be fun sometimes.

Sometimes more than others.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tommyleo

Right. Except that in this case, he was not going to be next. That's the point of this discussion, which is admittedly based on many hypotheticals. But that can be fun sometimes.

Some times there isn't any deeper reason than, "I'm supposed to be here." Why was he swinging the bat? Probably because that's what you do in the on deck circle.

[MD Longhorn]

By rule SOMEONE has to get in the circle. Why would anyone else get in there but the pitcher, considering that they, too, were not actually going to bat.

Why was he swinging the bat? like Adam said, that's what you do there.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

By rule SOMEONE has to get in the circle. Why would anyone else get in there but the pitcher, considering that they, too, were not actually going to bat.

Why was he swinging the bat? like Adam said, that's what you do there.

And, baseball players are notoriously supersticious.