Obstruction or Out of Baseline?

[Spence]

Play from the SD/SF game last night.

Agree with call?

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index..._copy_28851369

I'm not an ump but I'd say it was the right call.

[ozzy6900]

I have obstruction on the play. The runner was already on the grass so none of that means anything.

[CT1]

Textbook OBS. Despite the protestations of the SD common-tators, being "two steps on the infield grass" has nuttin' to do with nuttin'.

Of course, if F2 catches the pitch in the first place, we ain't in this mess.

[dash_riprock]

R2 was clearly within "his" baseline during all tag attempts.

R2 was clearly hindered and he was clearly not intentionally running into a fielder (without the ball) trying to draw the OBS.

Clearly OBS. Nice call.

[jicecone]

That baseline changed every time the ball was exchanged.

Clearly obstruction, I agree.

[RPatrino]

This is obstruction, only. The 'out of baseline' only applies when a tag is being attempted on a runner.

[MD Longhorn]

Obstruction. Textbook.

[Manny A]

"What...what is Gyorko s'posed to do, run into the dugout?"

Well, first off, it was Headley, not Gyorko. And now that you mention it, Dick...

[Rufus]

Tangential question - as a coach I've read enough materials on coaching baserunning that instruct runners to, if possible, run into the fielder as happened here (not saying that's what happened here, just that the instruction I read says it's a good "teach"). From an official's standpoint is that a HTBT in determining if there was intent by the runner (does intent even matter?) or are there things you look for when a runner tries something like that? Hasn't happened to me either way but was curious if anyone's had that type of thing happen.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Tangential question - as a coach I've read enough materials on coaching baserunning that instruct runners to, if possible, run into the fielder as happened here (not saying that's what happened here, just that the instruction I read says it's a good "teach"). From an official's standpoint is that a HTBT in determining if there was intent by the runner (does intent even matter?) or are there things you look for when a runner tries something like that? Hasn't happened to me either way but was curious if anyone's had that type of thing happen.

Don't coach this.

First, there are enough umpires who simply don't pay enough attention to obstruction that you will likely run yourself into as many outs as you will avoid.

Second, it's simply RAT-style coaching.

Hopefully, you will not be getting any help from the umpires here in trying to coax this call out of an umpire or avoid getting your runner called for intentionally running into a fielder when that's exactly what you're coaching.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Hopefully, you will not be getting any help from the umpires here in trying to coax this call out of an umpire or avoid getting your runner called for intentionally running into a fielder when that's exactly what you're coaching.

Agree. It's pretty apparent when a runner intentionally heads for a fielder attempting to draw an obstruction call. Most runners who do that blatantly disregard heading toward the base, particularly when the fielder is already moving away from the runner's path after releasing the throw.

This particular play was just a case where F5 got too close to R2 when he threw the ball. He could've probably tagged R2 if he tried. And then F5 veered the wrong way (he was in the dirt when he threw the ball, and moved to the grass), probably because his F6 teammate was standing there.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Tangential question - as a coach I've read enough materials on coaching baserunning that instruct runners to, if possible, run into the fielder as happened here (not saying that's what happened here, just that the instruction I read says it's a good "teach"). From an official's standpoint is that a HTBT in determining if there was intent by the runner (does intent even matter?) or are there things you look for when a runner tries something like that? Hasn't happened to me either way but was curious if anyone's had that type of thing happen.

That takes it "too far" imo. Better to teach them just to run to the base and that they don't need to avoid non-malicious contact.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That takes it "too far" imo. Better to teach them just to run to the base and that they don't need to avoid non-malicious contact.

Agree and thanks for the responses. Never taught this myself (usually have a hard enough time teaching baserunning basics, forget the "extra" stuff like this). Was just curious what everyone's experience has been.

[STL_UMP]

Anyone notice that the MLB byline called it interference?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by STL_UMP

Anyone notice that the MLB byline called it interference?

Ahhhh, summer interns. Some are good, some are bad...