umpire hit by batted ball deflected by the pitcher

[jwwashburn]

ART. 1 . . . Ball becomes dead immediately when:
f. a fair batted ball:
1. touches a runner or an umpire before touching any fielder and before
passing any fielder other than the pitcher,

It touched an umpire before a fielder other than the pitcher.
Ball is dead

[RPatrino]

Let me try this another way:

"touches a runner or an umpire before touching any fielder and before
passing any fielder EXCEPT the pitcher,"

[jwwashburn]

The ball hit my partner before passing any fielder(expect the pitcher) how is the ball not dead?

It did not pass the first baseman
It did not pass the second baseman
It did not pass the shortstop
It did not pass the third baseman

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

ART. 1 . . . Ball becomes dead immediately when:
f. a fair batted ball:
1. touches a runner or an umpire before touching any fielder and before
passing any fielder other than the pitcher,

It touched an umpire before a fielder other than the pitcher.
Ball is dead

The ball touched a fielder before it touched an umpire. The ball is live.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

The ball touched a fielder before it touched an umpire. The ball is live.

Not in this case, roscoe. This fielder was the exception specifically spelled out in the rule. The pitcher is the exception here.

How can the rule say he is the exception if you think he is not the exception?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Not in this case, roscoe. This fielder wad the exception specifically pulled out in the rule. The pitcher is the exception here.

How can the rule say he is the exception if you think he is not the exception?

The pitcher is the exception for the ball passing an infielder. There is no exception for a ball touching an infielder (including the pitcher).

Love,

Roscoe.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

The pitcher is the exception for the ball passing an infielder. There is no exception for a ball touching an infielder (including the pitcher).

Love,

Roscoe.

Ok, I was seeing the exception for both. We got it wrong. They should have made that two different sentences.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Ok, I was seeing the exception for both. We got it wrong. They should have made that two different sentences.

It could also be interpreted as:

"The ball remains live if, before touching an umpire:

(1) It touches any fielder; or
(2) Passes any fielder (other than the pitcher)."

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by CT1

It could also be interpreted as:

"The ball remains live if, before touching an umpire:

(1) It touches any fielder; or
(2) Passes any fielder (other than the pitcher)."

Yeah, I think that would have helped. Re-reading it, though, it should not have taken this long to penetrate my skull.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Ok, I was seeing the exception for both. We got it wrong. They should have made that two different sentences.

The word "and" makes it two conditions that have to be met; and the phrases "before touching any fielder" and "before passing any fielder except the pitcher" make it clear that each applies only to its specific clause.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Not in this case, roscoe. This fielder was the exception specifically spelled out in the rule. The pitcher is the exception here.

How can the rule say he is the exception if you think he is not the exception?

Those damn replacement umpires........