Pickoff Attempt At 2nd - Balk?

[umpjim]

" He can start his motion, step behind the pitcher's plate and start running at R2."

When you put that on paper I would say it's a balk. In real life maybe we don't call it. But it is not a violation of IITBTSB, it's an 8.05(a) balk if called.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by umpjim

" He can start his motion, step behind the pitcher's plate and start running at R2."

When you put that on paper I would say it's a balk. In real life maybe we don't call it. But it is not a violation of IITBTSB, it's an 8.05(a) balk if called.

No maybe about it...no balk. Did F1 keep his hands together while moving towards 2B? If not, then I have a fake/aborted throw to 2B followed by some silly looking crap. Even considering this a balk is OOO.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by umpjim

" He can start his motion, step behind the pitcher's plate and start running at R2."

Not a balk.

[umpjim]

Had a college coach show me a thing he taught his pitchers. In the set, hands together, F1 would have a slow subtle hand break a moment before the pivot and step to 2B. He said it was rarely caught.

Also there is the simultaneous step off and backwards throw to 2B that I'm starting to see more of. I balk that.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Had a college coach show me a thing he taught his pitchers. In the set, hands together, F1 would have a slow subtle hand break a moment before the pivot and step to 2B. He said it was rarely caught.

Also there is the simultaneous step off and backwards throw to 2B that I'm starting to see more of. I balk that.

What advantage did F1 gain by "a slow subtle hand break a moment before the pivot"? What was the coach teaching". I don't get it.

We have a guy in our chapter who has a reputation of using his active imagination when calling balks...don't be that guy. But if you've got to be that guy, don't be my partner.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bluehair

What advantage did F1 gain by "a slow subtle hand break a moment before the pivot"? What was the coach teaching". I don't get it.

I agree completely. No reward, all risk... not a healthy idea.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by bluehair

What advantage did F1 gain by "a slow subtle hand break a moment before the pivot"? What was the coach teaching". I don't get it.

We have a guy in our chapter who has a reputation of using his active imagination when calling balks...don't be that guy. But if you've got to be that guy, don't be my partner.

He said the runner would think the pitcher was starting to go home and would be leaning. He said they were pretty successful with the move.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Had a college coach show me a thing he taught his pitchers. In the set, hands together, F1 would have a slow subtle hand break a moment before the pivot and step to 2B. He said it was rarely caught.

Also there is the simultaneous step off and backwards throw to 2B that I'm starting to see more of. I balk that.

I did about 33 HS Var this year and called 5-6 Balks. 3 were associated with the Hybrid pitching stance. The others were just obvious. How many do you call in a season if you are analizing to such minute detail?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Also there is the simultaneous step off and backwards throw to 2B that I'm starting to see more of. I balk that.

Where do they get this?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Where do they get this?

Don't know but I'm seeing it occasionally. Can't be from the pros.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Don't know but I'm seeing it occasionally. Can't be from the pros.

You work college ball, and the move you described baffles you?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

You work college ball, and the move you described baffles you?

I work very little college, JUCO, non conference, but I don't think you are picturing what I have described.