Courtesy Runner Etiquette

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bluehair

That reminds me of what my old boss once told me, "There is the right way, a wrong way, and my way to do things". So glad I have my own business and don't have to listen to one way Joes anymore.

So each and every time you have a CR come into the game, you pull out your lineup card, go through all of the players/numbers and write/verify that the CR is not an illegal sub and is running for the proper battery member. Internet umpires are so funny. I'll be willing to bet dollars to donuts (I know it's even money these days) that their virtuous/virtual practices and ballfield practices are not necessarily the same.

The first time a NEW CR comes into the game, yes, I do that. takes <10 seconds. If the same CR comes into the game again, I just note it on the card. Takes <3 seconds. If the CR enters in another capacity, I note in in the lineup section, AND make a note of it in the CR section (I put an X through his number there). So, if he again tries to come in as a CR, I can stop it. Takes <5 seconds.

I do that at least as often as you indicate you write on your hand.

[johnnyg08]

Think of it this way, if an issue arises, you're going to spend far more time staring at your hand and also the lineup card...had you taken care of business right away, at least you just have to look at your lineup card. Looking at your hand and comparing it to your lineup card is going to look pretty dumb.

[bluehair]

Line-up cards don't have a CR tracking section on them. Cards vary with every school. This past week I was handed a varsity line-up with subs on a 2x3 inch piece of paper the other team a 8.5x11 sheet. Sometimes there is room on the front to track CRs other times you have to keep it on the back. So you have to adapt how you keep track with each format you are given...no big deal. You guys seem to have a CR tracking system that works for you. Good.

But If my system accomplishes the same thing (and after ten years of development, I assure you, it does), then claiming your system is superior is just hubris.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by bluehair

Line-up cards don't have a CR tracking section on them. Cards vary with every school. This past week I was handed a varsity line-up with subs on a 2x3 inch piece of paper the other team a 8.5x11 sheet. Sometimes there is room on the front to track CRs other times you have to keep it on the back. So you have to adapt how you keep track with each format you are given...no big deal. You guys seem to have a CR tracking system that works for you. Good.

But If my system accomplishes the same thing (and after ten years of development, I assure you, it does), then claiming your system is superior is just hubris.

I don't recall anyone saying that one system is superior over another. What I and others felt was that having writing on one's hand with a felt-tip marker just doesn't look right. Umpires are supposed to look impeccable when they get to the field, and do their best to stay that way. To me, having felt-tip ink on my hands is as much of an eyesore as an untucked shirt or dirt on my pants.

You said you don't do this when it's raining or the potential for profuse sweating is great. So what do you do then?

There are plenty of things we have to keep track of above and beyond substitutions and CR entries. There are conferences taken, warnings issued, bench restrictions and ejections given, etc. Where do you annotate those?

If your system works for you, fine. I just wouldn't recommend it for any of my umpiring colleagues.

BTW, if a coach handed my a 2x3 inch piece of paper, I'd give it back to him/her and tell him/her to give me a proper lineup card.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bluehair

But If my system accomplishes the same thing (and after ten years of development, I assure you, it does), then claiming your system is superior is just hubris.

Point of fact - the only person calling one better than the other (at least so far) is you.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by Manny A

What I and others felt was that having writing on one's hand with a felt-tip marker just doesn't look right. Umpires are supposed to look impeccable when they get to the field, and do their best to stay that way.

How does ink on my skin deminishes my impeccable presentation?

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Point of fact - the only person calling one better than the other (at least so far) is you.

That's complete BS. I never said my system was superior. I'm only defending my system from unfounded accusations that its lazy/prone to errors. My suggestion was in response to the OP which was talking about how to keep track of which CR goes with which battery member.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

BlueHair:

The Lineup Card has a purpose: To keep track of all substitutions made in the game. The CR is a type of substitution. A substitute can only be CR for one position (F1 or F2) per game. If #11 CRs for F1 in the first inning, he can only CR for the F1 the entire game, he can not run for the F2 in the same inning or a later inning. These changes must be kept on the Lineup Card so that the PU can immediately stop the HC from having #1 CR for the F2 in a later inning. And if the game is suspended, your Lineup Card should remain with the Official Scorebook so that if the game is resumed at a later date and you are not the PU when the game is resumed the new PU will know who, what, and where.

Besides, umpire writing with a permanent marking on his hand is childish looking. Be a professional and act like a professional.

MTD, Sr.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by bluehair

So each and every time you have a CR come into the game, you pull out your lineup card, go through all of the players/numbers and write/verify that the CR is not an illegal sub and is running for the proper battery member.

Yep. It's really easy, too, if you use the card that comes in the Honig's lineup card wallet. Pull out the wallet, check the lineup to see if the existing runner is F1 or F2, check the lineup to see if the CR has been in the game already, check the card to see if he was CR for the other position. Takes about as long as it does for the CR to realize he's going out there.

Also, I run a business. It got so much easier when I started listening to other people who had been in the same boat...just because I'm in charge doesn't mean I know everything.

[bluehair]

Thanks for all the advice. I'll give it all the consideration it deserves.

Time to move along, brudas.

[Steven Tyler]

I work with partners who as BU will keep track of it for me. Speed the game up you know. I usually can remember in my head anyway. I can remember who the catcher and pitcher are. I don't recall doing it, but I would ask the coach who he is sending in, and why to make certain what we got going on. New CR or PR.