Fielders Choice Question

[The Doctor]

A slow ground ball is hit by a batter to the shortstop with a runner already on second base. The shortstop plays the ball, he has no play on the runner advancing to third and holds on to the ball. The batter reaches first. Is this a hit or a fielder's choice?

[CT1]

Depends. If F6 could have thrown out B1 on a normal play but chose not to, it's a FC. If he held the ball because he knew he had no chance to throw out B1 at first, it's a hit.

Judgment call by the official scorer.

[Tim C]

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[maven]

To the Doctor: this is not a forum that specializes in Rule 10 or scorekeeping.

That said, I believe CT1 has provided the correct answer.

[RPatrino]

E6 and restrict the scorekeeper to the dugout. I hope the scorekeeper is not using a PEN!!

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

E6 and restrict the scorekeeper to the dugout. I hope the scorekeeper is not using a PEN!!

E on you.

I know most of you ignore Rule 10 but it's there. And so is the answer.

10.12 (a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:
(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the catch;

Rule 10.12(a)(1) Comment: Slow handling of the ball that does not involve mechanical misplay shall not be construed as an error. For example, the official scorer shall not charge a fielder with an error if such fielder fields a ground ball cleanly but does not throw to first base in time to retire the
batter.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

E on you.

I know most of you ignore Rule 10 but it's there. And so is the answer.

10.12 (a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:
(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the catch;

Rule 10.12(a)(1) Comment: Slow handling of the ball that does not involve mechanical misplay shall not be construed as an error. For example, the official scorer shall not charge a fielder with an error if such fielder fields a ground ball cleanly but does not throw to first base in time to retire the
batter.

I'm no expert on Rule 10, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with ruling the OP a hit or a FC.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by maven

I'm no expert on Rule 10, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with ruling the OP a hit or a FC.

I think he's mis-reading RPatrino's sarcasm and responding as if it were serious.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think he's mis-reading RPatrino's sarcasm and responding as if it were serious.

I got the sarcasm on the restriction and the pen. I didn't take the E6 part to be part of it.

[RPatrino]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

I got the sarcasm on the restriction and the pen. I didn't take the E6 part to be part of it.

It's okay Rich, it was subtle...

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

It's okay Rich, it was subtle...

You may need to spend more time in the coaching world, especially at the 12U level, to understand some of my reactions.

I'd bet a substantial amount that there are people who would rack it up as an E6. I can hear it: "He had time to get the out and didn't. That's an error. If it wasn't why is the coach mad at him?"

Ever look at a scorebook kept by a LL Mom? 73.81% of them have every fair batted ball where the batter reached base shown as a hit.

[RPatrino]

Trust me, I have done my coaching time. Coached my son from 6 years old to 18 years old, through the LL program. I have seen many versions of score keeping!

[CT1]

Originally Posted by rich ives

ever look at a scorebook kept by a ll mom? 93.81% of them have every fair batted ball where the batter reached base shown as a hit.

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