Ichiro Suzuki- out of baseline ?- O's game

[GA Umpire]

At the time of the tag attempt, he was within his 3' lane IMO. Where he ends up after it is complete is irrelevant. F2 was not chasing him with the tag. The tag attempt was less than a second long. At the moment of the attempt, he was still within 3'. F2 just missed.

[DUNDALKCHOPPER]

The tag attempt was continuous throughout the play

[grunewar]

Gotta give em both credit for a great effort!

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Gotta give em both credit for a great effort!

Why do we sometimes want to over officiate.....two guys worked their tails off on this play !!!!!!! Itchy won the battle on this play but the O's won the game !!! Great game !!!!

Hey Grun - when your Nads get busted by the Cardinals, I don't want to see you north of Columbia trying to get on the BUCK TRUCK !!!!!!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by DUNDALKCHOPPER

The tag attempt was continuous throughout the play

There were two attempts and he appears to be within on both.

[JR12]

I'm an Orioles fan, but I have to say, good call by Angel.

[David B]

That's just a great baseball play. Incredible hustle by both players and the umpire.

Sometimes this game really is fun to watch.

Thanks
DAVid

[aceholleran]

I think if it had been an Oriole trying to score, and the O's still win by 1, the media would have made a bigger deal out of it.

[aceholleran]

BTW, I thought this was an egregiously bad call. Look at the advantage Ichiro gained. But once again, he's a Yankee, they lost and NO ONE in the media had a quibble.

[BigBaldGuy]

Originally Posted by JR12

I'm an Orioles fan, but I have to say, good call by Angel.

His first of the season...not a fan.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by DUNDALKCHOPPER

The tag attempt was continuous throughout the play

No it wasn't. Just watch the video that APG embeded. Wieters missed with his initial tag attempt, went down on all fours, then crawled to reach Ichiro for the next tag attempt. How can he be attempting a tag while he was crawling and he was more than ten feet away from the runner while doing so?

I thought the call was fine, and I'm not a Yankees fan. I'm not even an Angel Hernandez fan.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DUNDALKCHOPPER

The tag attempt was continuous throughout the play

Not really. the tag attempt started when the catcher caught the ball and started turning toward the runner. Look at where Itchy is when that catch is made --- already on the grass. Draw a line from that spot to the plate - did he move 3 feet perpendicular to THAT line while the catcher was attempting to tag him?

Also, that tag attempt ended once Itchy was out of range and catcher turned to dive back toward the plate.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not really. the tag attempt started when the catcher caught the ball and started turning toward the runner.

Really? I guess I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of when a tag attempt is actually made. I don't consider the start of a turn towards the runner as a tag attempt, since the runner could be well away from the fielder when he starts that turn. I feel the tag attempt took place when Wieters lunged for Ichiro, and at that point Ichiro just twisted to avoid.

By your description, Ichiro would have had to turn into the tag as soon as Wieters caught the ball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Really? I guess I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of when a tag attempt is actually made. I don't consider the start of a turn towards the runner as a tag attempt, since the runner could be well away from the fielder when he starts that turn. I feel the tag attempt took place when Wieters lunged for Ichiro, and at that point Ichiro just twisted to avoid.

Your point and mine are about a quarter of a second apart. My point was not to hash the difference between that quarter second, but rather to point out to most of those that think he should be out that he was ALREADY 3 feet from that white line before the tag started, and that HIS basepath is established when he's already that far away. I think we agree that this is NOT an example of running out of the baseline (not even close in my opinion)

By your description, Ichiro would have had to turn into the tag as soon as Wieters caught the ball.

I said nothing of the sort, not even close.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I said nothing of the sort, not even close.

My bad. I misunderstood your point.