Bothched foul tip call yesterdays Wash. Nat'ls game

[David B]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Sooo, batter swings and nicks a low pitch, and the catcher fields it on the short-hop. PU doesn't see the ball touch dirt, and he rules a foul tip. The BU sees that the catcher didn't catch the ball on the fly, and he gives his partner a subtle signal of that fact. But the PU never looked at his partner for help.

You're saying that the BU should at that point come up with a foul call?

First and foremost, I didn't think BUs were supposed to help their PU partners with a foul call in similar situations, such as when they see a batted ball hit the batter. They are supposed to call Time. But more importantly, in those situations, it is an accepted practice that a BU help out immediately.

I don't think the same is true on the foul tip or foul ball. It's like the BU calling a stealing runner at second out on the tag, and the PU seeing the ball loose during the tag. Should the PU come up immediately with a safe call?

I don't mean to be argumentative. I'm trying to understand what is now allowed when it comes to one umpire overruling another.

That's a completely different scenario than this play, but if i'm PU, yes I want my partner coming out and saying time, foul ball, whatever because he knows that I did NOT see it.

I know you're just throwing out a sitch for argument, but in this play everyone in the ballpark knew it was a foul ball except for the PU.
Yes, the BU should have come out with a stong foul ball.

Now, I know maybe in MLB they don't do that??
But in the leagues that I officiate, it's not only common practice but also expected.

There are many times when as PU you just can't tell. Same on dropped third strike etc.,

Thanks
DAvid