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DUNDALKCHOPPER Wed Oct 03, 2012 06:36am

Bothched foul tip call yesterdays Wash. Nat'ls game
 
Did anyone see the Foul Ball that went straight back, hit the catchers glove and then went foul.. all while R1 stole 2nd base. Initially ruled a foul tip by the HPU (and the steal legal). When the Defensive coach asked the HPU to get help from his other Ump's all 4 confered and left the wrong call in place. Pretty sad when all 4 can't get it right.

Manny A Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:11am

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Originally Posted by DUNDALKCHOPPER (Post 856844)
Did anyone see the Foul Ball that went straight back, hit the catchers glove and then went foul.. all while R1 stole 2nd base. Initially ruled a foul tip by the HPU (and the steal legal). When the Defensive coach asked the HPU to get help from his other Ump's all 4 confered and left the wrong call in place. Pretty sad when all 4 can't get it right.

Are you saying that the ball was never caught??

MD Longhorn Wed Oct 03, 2012 08:22am

Video???

Welpe Wed Oct 03, 2012 08:41am

What happened once the ball hit the catcher's glove?

maven Wed Oct 03, 2012 08:47am

Here's the video. Should have been a foul ball, though the shot from the side shows how the tip call could be made.

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | PHI@WSH: Harper steals his 18th base of the season - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Rich Ives Wed Oct 03, 2012 09:16am

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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856848)
Are you saying that the ball was never caught??

Replays show it never caught but the announcers seemed to be right - ruled dropped on the exchange. Right call given what they believed happened.

kylejt Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:13am

I fully understand how the PU could have ruled as he did. Plus, when in doubt, keep the ball live, and see what happens. You can always go back.

What gets me is the other three umpires. Watch the reaction of U2, after the call (and disregard the pushed up, Don Johnson circa 1982 pushed up jacket sleeves). He knows it's wrong, you can see it on his face. Now, why they didn't reverse that call is beyond me.

jicecone Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:34am

Two obivious things.

1. They blew the call. (Actually I think the HPU had a brain fart and didn't want to admit it).
2. These announcers are clueless. Where is it that the foul tip signal, indicates that the ball was on lost on the exchange.

Manny A Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:55pm

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Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 856882)
Two obivious things.

1. They blew the call. (Actually I think the HPU had a brain fart and didn't want to admit it).
2. These announcers are clueless. Where is it that the foul tip signal, indicates that the ball was on lost on the exchange.

Actually, one announcer said the PU gave the foul tip signal, and then gave a signal indicating the catcher lost the ball on the exchange. The replay angles never really stayed on the PU long enough to see if that's indeed what happened.

I don't see how the PU could judge this was a catch and then drop on exchange. When that happens, the ball usually falls straight down, not go caroming off in another direction.

I thought it was funny that the PU got pi$$ed at Manuel for going straight to the crew chief. Looks like he was telling the manager that he should come to him first since he made the call.

U2 actually thought it was foul. He had his hands up signalling a dead ball as Harper was sliding into second base.

Strange. Put an asterisk next to Bryce's stolen base total this year... :p

rbmartin Wed Oct 03, 2012 02:57pm

At 0:05 in the video (long before R1 slides into 2b) U2 is giving the foul ball/time out/dead ball signal. He had the best view of anyone.

I can understand HP missing this one but I don't understand why his buddies didn't help him out a little.

dash_riprock Wed Oct 03, 2012 03:31pm

Absolutely terrible.

nopachunts Wed Oct 03, 2012 04:02pm

Anyone know who was on the plate?

rbmartin Wed Oct 03, 2012 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 856931)
Anyone know who was on the plate?

MLB lists: Umpires: HP: Manny Gonzalez. 1B: Greg Gibson. 2B: Phil Cuzzi. 3B: Gerry Davis.

brainbrian Wed Oct 03, 2012 09:59pm

Even the base-runner starts heading back to first base eventually.

David B Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:11pm

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 856928)
Absolutely terrible.

yep that's pretty bad on an easy obvious call. Sometimes even the best get lazy and aren't tuned in to the game.

Thansk
David


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