He Really Saw This?!

Manny A · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 07:20am

Even with slo-mo, it's too hard to tell.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23688533

I'm guessing U3 changed U1's call here. But, man, that's a tough sell.

jicecone · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 07:46am

Its hard to tell even with the replay whether it bounced off the ground or his glove webbing, I agree but, you are paid to make a decsion. Your either going to throw out the DHC or the OHC but, someone is not going to agree with your decision.

That is truly the human part of the game that will never change.

mbyron · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 08:27am

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Originally Posted by jicecone

Its hard to tell even with the replay whether it bounced off the ground or his glove webbing, I agree but, you are paid to make a decsion. Your either going to throw out the DHC or the OHC but, someone is not going to agree with your decision.

That is truly the human part of the game that will never change.

I don't think anyone had to go here. The covering official makes his best call, and away we go.

The Rockies skipper ejected himself by the manner in which he objected to one official changing another's call, which you have to admit was kinda bogus.

MD Longhorn · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 08:34am

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Originally Posted by mbyron

I don't think anyone had to go here. The covering official makes his best call, and away we go.

The Rockies skipper ejected himself by the manner in which he objected to one official changing another's call, which you have to admit was kinda bogus.

I confess that even with my "Don't yell at the umpire" mentality, if I were coaching a game and this happened, I'd end up ejecting myself as well. The overrule was not only wrong, it was in contravention to the rules.

JRutledge · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 08:43am

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Originally Posted by jicecone

Its hard to tell even with the replay whether it bounced off the ground or his glove webbing, I agree but, you are paid to make a decsion. Your either going to throw out the DHC or the OHC but, someone is not going to agree with your decision.

That is truly the human part of the game that will never change.

I am leaning towards it being a trap, but I cannot say definitively. Tough call in real time either way.

Peace

mbyron · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 09:02am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I confess that even with my "Don't yell at the umpire" mentality, if I were coaching a game and this happened, I'd end up ejecting myself as well. The overrule was not only wrong, it was in contravention to the rules.

I couldn't quite make out what happened in the umpire powwow. U3 might have "given more info" to U1 and let him change his call, and then he might have taken the heat for the changed call because he was senior. Nothing against the rules in any of that.

I agree that it didn't really LOOK like that happened.

kylejt · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 09:49am

First, I love Vin Scully. Every game he broadcasts is a treat, and we should enjoy his voice, just like we did Chick Hearn with the Lakers. It's HoF stuff on a daily basis.

Man, even with HD slow mo, you can't really tell if it hits the edge of the web, and bounce up, or it's the ground. The old rule of thumb is if it bounces up, it must have hit the ground first. That's probably what they went with.

I've got no problem with the call, the meeting, the reversal or the EJ. That's all by the book, with everyone doing their job properly. Tracy had to get himself run in that situation. That's baseball.

I still love Vin reading lips, and translating, though.

I didn't see anyone overruling a call out there. Just a request to get help, a conference, and then a decision. SOP, fellas.

Manny A · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 10:23am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

I didn't see anyone overruling a call out there. Just a request to get help, a conference, and then a decision. SOP, fellas.

"SOP", as you call it, would have U1 asking for help, and then making the final call after he receives that help. That's clearly stipulated in 9.02(c).

Now, that may have happened in the huddle, but it was clear to me that U1 never gave a "Safe" signal before the crew chief called over the Rockies manager. I suppose he felt that was his job to do, but it goes counter to "SOP".

kylejt · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 11:02am

I see your point, Manny. To me, I looked liked they skipped U1 stepping back and calling "No catch", and fastforwarded to the Crew Chief explaining what happened. I'm sure they fully knew the end result was going to be an EJ, so why not get right to it?

"Blinking fertilizer". Classic.

Manny A · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 11:20am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

I see your point, Manny. To me, I looked liked they skipped U1 stepping back and calling "No catch", and fastforwarded to the Crew Chief explaining what happened.

Kyle, that's possible. But I'm sure Tracy would have jumped out of the dugout the moment U1 gave a "No Catch", and not wait for U3 to call him.

But, hey, these guys are at the pinnacle of their craft. They can do whatever they blinking want!

jicecone · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by Manny A

Kyle, that's possible. But I'm sure Tracy would have jumped out of the dugout the moment U1 gave a "No Catch", and not wait for U3 to call him.

But, hey, these guys . They can do whatever they blinking want!

I think they did what they had to and given their experience and their best observation of what happened, (they didn't get the chance to watch 5 tmes like I did and I still can't tell), the correct call was made for that situation.

I don't believe for one minute that they can do whatever they want but, they "are at the pinnacle of their craft" and thats something everyone of us wish we could be at also. Unfortunately though, as many wish, perfection will never happen.

CT1 · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 08, 2012, 12:56pm

I just can't believe that U3 was so certain it bounced that he was able to convince U1 to overturn the call.

Love Vin Scully. It's a crying shame I can't get the Dodger broadcasts where I live without going through MLB TV.