Worst umpiring crew in baseball...

[ozzy6900]

Jock Sniffer addiction!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to see the pic for that one.

You just had to talk that up.

Peace

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by tmagan

CB Bucknor also called time, after Santana started his windup because Michael Bourn stepped out of the batters box.

In addition, after I started this thread, Dan Iassogna called a fly ball in left field fair even though it landed in foul territory.

Hawk Harrelson, is that you???

[mrm21711]

Lets stop feeding em.......

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by tmagan

Dale Scott's crew with Bill Miller, Dan Iassogna and CB Bucknor. From the triple play debacle from the Padres/Dodgers game, to Dale Scott's missed call in the Braves game yesterday to CB Bucknor's changing strike zone today, this is the worst crew in baseball, can't go a day without trouble.

I wish i lived really close to you, so I could come and see you umpire, and count the missed calls you had.... then I could come on here and blast you...

WOW dale had a very close play on a catch no catch.. I guess you have never missed a call before.. what level of ball do you work?

[Carl Childress]

Criticism of umpires is a staple of the Internet message boards. We all make mistakes. The mistakes of the MLUs are simply magnified.

Denkinger's call at first in the World Series, 1985. Three admitted bad calls by Tim McClelland: forcing the Dodgers to replace the pitcher early when the acting manager made a second trip to the mound after a warning; his double miss in Game 4 of the 2009 ALCS. Remember his press conference: "In my heart, I thought he was out." Jim Joyce?

I don't know the history of the man who started this thread. But I've said in print that Angel Hernandez is the worst umpire in the Major Leagues. (The players and managers think Jim Joyce is the best - still.)

But what do I know? I like Cowboy Joe West.

PLUG: My new book is on sale at Amazon. (grin)

[UMP25]

MLB Umpires are humans. Consequently, they make mistakes. Case in point: I was at Tuesday's (July 24) White Sox game. In the middle of the game with no outs and the bases empty, a sinking fly ball was hit to the right fielder's left. He came running diagonally toward the right field line, diving to make the catch. On this play, both U1 and U2 went out on it! That's right--TWO MLB Umpires went out on a fly ball when only one should have. In this case, it was clearly U1's call.

What made it worse was that each umpire made the opposite call. U2, who had the worse of the two angles, called it an out, while U1 ruled it safe (in an admittedly weak signal, too). Well, all 4 umpires huddled in the middle of the infield for about a minute, and the came out of the meeting ruling it an out. This was an obvious screw-up all around. My friend with whom I went to the game, a fellow umpire, looked at me and asked, "What just happened?" I told him, "We just saw MLB Umpires messing up. They're just as human as we are."

BTW, replays showed that the ball had clearly hit the ground before F9 gloved it. It was a trap. U1's original call was, in fact, the correct one. I don't know what those guys said in their brief huddle, but U2 was definitely not in the best angle for making that call. As a Sox fan, I could have been pissed, but I wasn't, because I realize even MLB Umps make mistakes, despite the fact that some here think they never do.

[Carl Childress]

Originally Posted by UMP25

MLB Umpires are humans. Consequently, they make mistakes. Case in point: I was at Tuesday's (July 24) White Sox game. In the middle of the game with no outs and the bases empty, a sinking fly ball was hit to the right fielder's left. He came running diagonally toward the right field line, diving to make the catch. On this play, both U1 and U2 went out on it! That's right--TWO MLB Umpires went out on a fly ball when only one should have. In this case, it was clearly U1's call.

What made it worse was that each umpire made the opposite call. U2, who had the worse of the two angles, called it an out, while U1 ruled it safe (in an admittedly weak signal, too). Well, all 4 umpires huddled in the middle of the infield for about a minute, and the came out of the meeting ruling it an out. This was an obvious screw-up all around. My friend with whom I went to the game, a fellow umpire, looked at me and asked, "What just happened?" I told him, "We just saw MLB Umpires messing up. They're just as human as we are."

BTW, replays showed that the ball had clearly hit the ground before F9 gloved it. It was a trap. U1's original call was, in fact, the correct one. I don't know what those guys said in their brief huddle, but U2 was definitely not in the best angle for making that call. As a Sox fan, I could have been pissed, but I wasn't, because I realize even MLB Umps make mistakes, despite the fact that some here think they never do.

I can illustrate why they accepted U2's call by quoting from MY NEW BOOK, 151 Ways to Ruin a Baseball Game.

One of the ugliest photographs ever taken of umpires in action shows one umpire making one call while another umpire is making the opposite call. Two calls on one play. Our golden knights in shining armor were John Kibler calling “out” and the former supervisor of umpires for the National League, Ed Vargo, calling “safe.” Those guys make my partner and me look like pikers who were just pretending to be incompetent.

When I spoke to John about his play in September 2000, he told me he had a painting of “part” of the picture in his living room. “Carl,” he said, laughing, “the artist cut Eddie out.”

Play 54: Bill Sudakis (Dodgers) lifts a little Texas leaguer behind the shortstop. F6 chases the ball, the second baseman chases the ball, and John Kibler, the second-base umpire, chases the play. The pop fly falls safely, and Sudakis continues unchecked around first. Third baseman Mike Shannon (Cardinals) realizes nobody is covering second, so he figures he’d better guard the base. It’s a foot race between Shannon and Sudakis.

Kibler looks up and sees nobody in blue at second. Major league mechanics were clear: When the second-base umpire stays out, the first-base umpire goes with the batter-runner to second. Suddenly Vargo wakes up, and realizes he’s still at first. Now there’s a second foot race, this one between Kibler and Vargo though neither realizes the other is under way. Four grown men will wind up, breathing hard, at one bag. A photographer snaps their picture, and their places in baseball legend are secure.

Manager Walter Alston confronts Al Barlick, the plate umpire. “What do we do now, Al? I don’t know who to cuss.”
Ruling for Play 54: Barlick says: “Walter, it’s John’s base, and we’re going with his call.” Though Alston lost the decision, John told me Walter left the field without an argument.

In your play: Using MLU mechanics, it's U2's call unless F9 is charging toward the foul line. The crew thought: U2 is already out, and game personnel are accustomed to seeing him make most calls in the outfield. You yourself said U1's signal was "tentative." Clearly they knew they were screwed, so, like Barlick, they said: "It's U2's field, so ...."

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Carl Childress

In your play: Using MLU mechanics, it's U2's call unless F9 is charging toward the foul line.

Which he evidently was:

He came running diagonally toward the right field line, diving to make the catch.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Carl Childress

In your play: Using MLU mechanics, it's U2's call unless F9 is charging toward the foul line. The crew thought: U2 is already out, and game personnel are accustomed to seeing him make most calls in the outfield. You yourself said U1's signal was "tentative." Clearly they knew they were screwed, so, like Barlick, they said: "It's U2's field, so ...."

As CT1 has pointed out, this is U1's call. I expect that U2 sold his call better both on the field and in the powwow, and that's what they went with. :shrug:

Also, that way they get an out.

[D Ray]

Here is a link to a nice write up after Mr Kibler's passing and the photo that Papa C referenced.

Midwest Ump: John Kibler NL Umpire (1928-2010)

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As CT1 has pointed out, this is U1's call. I expect that U2 sold his call better both on the field and in the powwow, and that's what they went with. :shrug:

Also, that way they get an out.

Actually, neither umpire sold his call. Both looked rather timid.