Worthy of the thumb?

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

spiking the ball, throwing equipment in anger of a call are all ejections in any rule set.

Joe west is the crew chief which means he usually will be there when an ejection takes place to see the ejected party out. In this case, roenicke had to go by joe to get to the dugout so you don't know who said what, now do you? Typically, roenicke would jaw at joe because again, he's the crew chief and one of the umpires ejected him. So more than likely, roenicke started spilling is usual diarrhea and joe responded.

You obviously are not an umpire for even posting such dribble!

He's bacccccccccckkkkkkkkkkk......

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

I think somebody's oversensitve this morning...........

I told you before "Realist".

Politically correct or tactfully diplomatic sometimes, just doesn't get the point across.

[Dave Reed]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

..... On plays at 1st base a tie DOES go to the runner (6.05(j)).
7.08(e) applies to force plays at any other base (ties go to the defense).

Not a myth - a rule; check it out.

OK - that takes care of that until next year. No more comments from me

Well, they done changed the rule a couple of years ago, and made the phrasing the same.
6.05(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;
7.08(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

In other words, these days, the "tie" (if you wish to believe in such a thing) goes to the runner in both cases.
Probably better to not trot the above summary out again next year.

[lawump]

Both ejections (regardless of what the morons broadcasting the game on TV or radio or writing about the game the next day think) were routine, easy EJ's on the professional level. Spiking of equipment after a judgment call by an umpire on a close play is an automatic EJ. If the batter had been called "out" and spiked his helmet after having run through first base...he'd have been tossed, too.

The manager almost assuredly said the "magic words" (made the argument personal) and got the automatic EJ.

So many "professional" sports journalists are making a whole lot out of the EJ of the pitcher which I can't understand. Since baseball began almost 100% of the time players who spike equipment after a close call that does not go their way are ejected.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by lawump

So many "professional" sports journalists are making a whole lot out of the EJ of the pitcher which I can't understand. Since baseball began almost 100% of the time players who spike equipment after a close call that does not go their way are ejected.

I know exactly why they're making a big deal: trashing umpires is fun and has absolutely no downside. Who's going to tune out, umpire fans?

Greinke went to Holbrook after — you can read his lips — and said, "I was mad at myself." Fine. But it looks as if you're showing up the umpire. Intent is not the only issue when you throw a little tantrum. Appearances matter, too.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by lawump

Both ejections (regardless of what the morons broadcasting the game on TV or radio or writing about the game the next day think) were routine, easy EJ's on the professional level. Spiking of equipment after a judgment call by an umpire on a close play is an automatic EJ. If the batter had been called "out" and spiked his helmet after having run through first base...he'd have been tossed, too.

The manager almost assuredly said the "magic words" (made the argument personal) and got the automatic EJ.

So many "professional" sports journalists are making a whole lot out of the EJ of the pitcher which I can't understand. Since baseball began almost 100% of the time players who spike equipment after a close call that does not go their way are ejected.

I would have been surprised if he wasn't ejected. Actions can speak louder than words, but sometimes actions are like playing charades. OTOH, I don't think Greinke meant to show up the umpire in any way. Greinke knew he did wrong, and admitted as such after the game.

[JR12]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I know exactly why they're making a big deal: trashing umpires is fun and has absolutely no downside. Who's going to tune out, umpire fans?

Greinke went to Holbrook after — you can read his lips — and said, "I was mad at myself." Fine. But it looks as if you're showing up the umpire. Intent is not the only issue when you throw a little tantrum. Appearances matter, too.

+1 Byron....I want to work with you. You are the voice of reason on this forum.