Strange(False)Ending in MInnesota 3A semi-final

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I agree, and it might have helped lead to the confusion that ensued. I only use the "no catch" when it's a trapped ball and not obvious to everyone that the ball is down.

Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.

[MD Longhorn]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a tag. I see the catcher touch the batter with his bare hand, but it appears the ball is in the glove. Perhaps that is what was appealed.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a tag. I see the catcher touch the batter with his bare hand, but it appears the ball is in the glove. Perhaps that is what was appealed.

Mike, watch it full screen, HD if you can. He tagged him with the ball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Mike, watch it full screen, HD if you can. He tagged him with the ball.

OK, will do when I get home to a better resolution monitor. Can't see the ball on that video here at work.

[RPatrino]

Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?

It is possible, but not permissible.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?

To borrow a phrase from Mr. Hochuli...

"By Rule..." No, this is not appealable.

[RPatrino]

This situation happened to me during a game, while working solo, and the batter failed to check his swing and I was asked to get help from my 'partner'. I, completely in jest, pointed toward first and asked (to no one in particular), "Did he NOT go?"...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

OK, will do when I get home to a better resolution monitor. Can't see the ball on that video here at work.

OK, I did so. I see no ball in the catcher's hand.

[CT1]

Verbalizing "no catch" after the point & "he went" is the accepted mechanic in these parts. The batter should be able to hear that.

I'd really like to know why this was overturned. If I were the defensive coach, I'd been on my way to the bus after that.

[johnnyg08]

The issue that caused the drama dealt with whether or not there was a tag.

With the benefit of the video, there's no question that there WAS a tag BUT the umpires didn't have the luxury of the video.

After the conference the umpires determined that no umpire called the batter/runner out on a tag, the batter runner reached 1b, so they placed him at 1b.

That's the scoop folks.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.

I agree.

This play is just...unfortunate.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.

Exactly. This was supposed to be the big 'takeaway' from La Affaire Eddings.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.

Why was the batter taking his eyes away from the ball? He missed the pitch, so why wasn't he tracking the pitch to the mitt/ground? Whenever I would strike out swinging, I checked to see if the catcher hung on to the ball.

[RKBUmp]

I have watched it numerous times on 24" monitor and I never can pick out the ball in his hand at the time of the tag. Later on in the video he does have the ball in his right hand when he is yelling at the umps and it is clearly visible then, but not when he tags the batter.