Strange(False)Ending in MInnesota 3A semi-final

[RPatrino]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. PU clearly points, and I am assuming he is verbalizing...'yes he went'...he signals with the safe sign, meaning the ball was dropped. My assumption that closely after that, out of view, he is signalling out.

Then the OC asked PU to get help on the check swing. If he asked the U1, then a mistake was made if U1 offered his opinion absent a request from the PU. If he asked PU to confer, I suppose PU could ask U1 what he saw. PU's original call and mechanics were correct, (clearly this was an offer at the pitch), so to change the call at this point was a gross miss. Poorly done by all involved.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

Let me see if I understand this correctly. PU clearly points, and I am assuming he is verbalizing...'yes he went'...he signals with the safe sign, meaning the ball was dropped. My assumption that closely after that, out of view, he is signalling out.

Then the OC asked PU to get help on the check swing. If he asked the U1, then a mistake was made if U1 offered his opinion absent a request from the PU. If he asked PU to confer, I suppose PU could ask U1 what he saw. PU's original call and mechanics were correct, (clearly this was an offer at the pitch), so to change the call at this point was a gross miss. Poorly done by all involved.

Normally, I would agree. But those days are long gone. We now live in a get the call right, poorly if it happens, but get the call right.

The play was close, the call was vague, the request to get help was made. At that point, pretty is no longer the criteria, getting the call right was gonna look bad either way. No sympathy for either team.

Overturning the call was the tougher choice, they made it, and then stuck with it. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no turning back. Looks like the teamwork on this crew was strong enough to move on with the game.

[RPatrino]

Originally Posted by SAump

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Normally, I would agree. But those days are long gone. We now live in a get the call right, poorly if it happens, but get the call right.

The play was close, the call was vague, the request to get help was made. At that point, pretty is no longer the criteria, getting the call right was gonna look bad either way. No sympathy for either team.

Overturning the call was the tougher choice, they made it, and then stuck with it. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no turning back. Looks like the teamwork on this crew was strong enough to move on with the game.

But the bottom line issue was after all this discussion, they got the call wrong!

[johnnyg08]

I know one of the umpires in this video...when the storm calms a bit, I'll reach out to him and figure out what went down.

[johnnyg08]

From the news article:

You don't often get to storm the field and celebrate twice in a single game, but the Bemidji Lumberjacks did.

A strange turn of events in Bemidji's Class AAA State Baseball Semifinal game against Eden Prairie ultimately ended with the Lumberjacks advancing to their first state title appearance since 1986 with an 8-6 extra-inning win.

After building a 6-0 lead after an inning and a half, Bemidji saw Eden Prairie stage a furious comeback.

The Eagles managed to draw within one run at 6-5, and were down to their final out.

With the game on the line, Bemidji pitcher Mitch Hendricks and Eden Prairie batter Danny Halloran were locked in a tension-filled at-bat.

With the count full, Hendricks' pitch passed the plate low and away from right-handed hitting Halloran. Halloran checked his swing as the ball bounced in the dirt. Bemidji catcher Collin Leif scooped the pitch out of the dirt and tagged Halloran just as the home plate umpire appeared to call Halloran out.

Bemidji players tossed their gloves in the air and stormed the field to celebrate their victory.

...Or so they thought.

During the celebration, Eden Prairie coach Mike Halloran motioned to first base, seeming to indicate a desire for the called strike to be appealed to the first-base umpire.

The umpires conferred and after a lengthy discussion, the call was reversed.

Halloran was awarded first base on a walk, leaving Bemidji players visibly and audibly upset.

With the bases loaded, Brett Guba - the next batter for Eden Prairie - earned a 5-pitch walk. That brought Michael Blauert in from third base, tying the game at 6.

Bemidji avoided what would have been an unthinkable collapse by forcing Halloran at second on the batter later to end the inning, sending the game to extra innings.

In the eighth, Bemidji scored a pair of unearned runs on two Eden Prairie errors to regain the lead at 8-6.

After Miles Nablo singled to open the bottom of the eighth, Hendricks retired three straight Eagles hitters to end the game.

After their false celebration after the seventh inning, Bemidji was able to officially celebrate after the eighth - although it was much more subdued than their initial, spontaneous jubilation an inning earlier.

Bemidji will play in Eastview or Grand Rapids on Monday at 6 p.m. in the Class AAA State Championship game at Target Field.

[David B]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

From the news article:


During the celebration, Eden Prairie coach Mike Halloran motioned to first base, seeming to indicate a desire for the called strike to be appealed to the first-base umpire.

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Sorry but if I'm PU there is no appeal. Simple - tell the coach "he swung", F2 tagged him. Game over.

Don't know why all the conference was going on, obviously the PU didn't stay with his call - not good umpiring.

Thanks
David

[Matt]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I know one of the umpires in this video...when the storm calms a bit, I'll reach out to him and figure out what went down.

I'd hold off a long while. This is a sore subject right now.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'd hold off a long while. This is a sore subject right now.

After watching this MLB video,

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | KC@STL: Matheny tossed as umps overturn triple play - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'd hold off a long while. This is a sore subject right now.

A long while...unless I can get the same info through another party...I'm not doing it to disparage anybody, but these guys are solid umpires (I know two of the three) it just doesn't make any sense that something like this would happened in one of their games. No sense at all.

We'll see.

[Steven Tyler]

I don't know why he thought he had to give the "no catch" signal. It was very obvious the ball was in the dirt. Overkill, IMO.

[REFANDUMP]

The first part of the plate umpires mechanics are solid. Point, you went. I agree with a previous poster that he was "ripping" the strike three call (which shouldn't have been done). I think the base coach confused this signal with a safe mechanic and instructed his player to run. Why the plate umpire signaled "safe" after the tag, I have no clue. The only thing I am thinking is that he thought the ball is in the catchers glove and not in his bare hand. I am assuming he thought there was no tag, even though it appeared obvious. You can't "chain" a strike three on a dropped third strike. He's not out until tagged or the ball goes to first base. Error by the plate umpire. Not sure how one of his partners couldn't have determined there wasn't a tag and corrected the error.