Detroit @ Boston foul tip that wasn't call...

[David B]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Mike, you're thinking only of how bad the call is, and how much it merits reversing. You're not thinking about how impossible it would be to fix the vast majority of these situations.

This one was called foul with no runners moving. But what if R1 had been running? When you fix it, it will be a foul tip and a live ball. Are you going to send R1 back to 1B and screw the offense or send him to 2B and screw the defense?

The umpires might miss one now and again, but IMO fixing most of them would be impossible without introducing more controversy than the original error.

I concur - its' just not possible without disrupting the game. In baseball more than any other sport, calls made on the field dictate what the offense or defense does or does not do.

This play is just one of many, many examples where it just don't work in baseball.

Thanks
David

[MD Longhorn]

I see your points.

[teccan9nja]

From how I understand a Foul Tip, not calling it really doesn't matter. It acts like a regular swinging strike. the ball remains live, runners can advance. Its just if its not caught that it matters and becomes a regular Foul Ball. So how does not calling a foul tip mean something?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by teccan9nja

From how I understand a Foul Tip, not calling it really doesn't matter. It acts like a regular swinging strike. the ball remains live, runners can advance. Its just if its not caught that it matters and becomes a regular Foul Ball. So how does not calling a foul tip mean something?

Because when it is called FOUL, everyone stops. If the umpire caused everyone to stop, and it turns out the play was actually live... how do you fix it?

[Dakota]

It could work if it is treated like additional information from another umpire. In situations that can't be fixed, you live with the call, and in situations as in the Detroit / Boston game, you reverse the call, batter out, inning over. In my thoughts, stated earlier, this would be the crew chief's decision whether or not to use the additional information from the replay umpire.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dakota

it could work if it is treated like additional information from another umpire. In situations that can't be fixed, you live with the call, and in situations as in the detroit / boston game, you reverse the call, batter out, inning over. In my thoughts, stated earlier, this would be the crew chief's decision whether or not to use the additional information from the replay umpire.

+1

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by teccan9nja

From how I understand a Foul Tip, not calling it really doesn't matter. It acts like a regular swinging strike. the ball remains live, runners can advance. Its just if its not caught that it matters and becomes a regular Foul Ball. So how does not calling a foul tip mean something?

It can also mean the difference between a win and a loss. Just imagine, bottom of 9th, R3 and R2, visitor ahead by one, 2 outs and something and 2 on the batter. The pitch is a foul tip that was not called a foul tip but a foul ball. The next pitch the batter hits a single. Either one or two score. You go from what should have been a win for the visitor to a possible loss. Most everything in baseball means something.

[DG]

I am not for replay beyond what exists now, however, it is possible and certain calls could be replayed without delay of game.

I can think of several bad calls that I expect the umpire who made it would like to have reviewed.