Coach impedes his runner - out

[umpjim]

Had to be there or see the video but interesting that it wasn't called right away:

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Apparently he was windmilling the runner home while looking at the ball and other runners. His runner runs into him and gets up and still makes it home. F5 says something about his throw being obstructed so what was called may not be what the paper is reporting.
I'll look for video.

[RPatrino]

That news story had to be the most convoluted mess of facts I have ever read. Clearly they have obstruction and interference confused. This is a YHTBT situation for sure, but based on the description of the play a call of coach assistance might be justified. The coach didn't assist, he actually hindered.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

That news story had to be the most convoluted mess of facts I have ever read. Clearly they have obstruction and interference confused. This is a YHTBT situation for sure, but based on the description of the play a call of coach assistance might be justified. The coach didn't assist, he actually hindered.

I don't see how it could have been called interference based on what I read, but if the runner just ran into the coach, got up on his own, and then advanced without assistance to HP, I don't have interference. If the umpire called it obstruction, I would recommend remedial umpire training for him. Just based on what I read, 7.09(h) was not violated.

"Huebner was focused on the plate. Gesell, well out of the coaches' box, was locked in on the other two runners on base and stepped into Huebner's path. Huebner bowled over Gesell and fell to the Whataburger Field turf. Huebner got up and scrambled home with the apparent tying run as the relay throw went past the catcher.

But, after an umpire's conference, and at the urging of Yeager, who kept pumping his right fist to signify an out, Huebner was ruled out on obstruction."

It sounds like a train wreck, with the runner getting up on his own volition and advancing to HP. It also seems as though the umpire was pressured by this Yeager person into changing his call.

[umpjim]

Can't find any video but in searching I found some video from the first of the DH. Whats interesting is at 22 seconds the team that benefited from the call in the next game has a coach doing the same thing and probably had contact with his runner but no collision. I'm guessing that if there was a collision maybe the coach helped his runner up and then you have INT.

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[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It sounds like a train wreck, with the runner getting up on his own volition and advancing to HP. It also seems as though the umpire was pressured by this Yeager person into changing his call.

The Yeager person was the opposing HC, and the out call was the last out, in a 1-0 game. The run would have tied it, with 2 runners still on base.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by DG

The Yeager person was the opposing HC, and the out call was the last out, in a 1-0 game. The run would have tied it, with 2 runners still on base.

Yes, I know who the Yeager person was, he was head rat, and he was trying to get the umpire to call it his way, and he succeeded. I wonder if any of the umpires even saw the actual collision.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, I know who the Yeager person was, he was head rat, and he was trying to get the umpire to call it his way, and he succeeded. I wonder if any of the umpires even saw the actual collision.

Not clear how many umpires there were from the writeup, but if there is one at 3b he should have seen, and if it was 2 man the PU would have responsibility over there.

[David B]

Originally Posted by DG

Not clear how many umpires there were from the writeup, but if there is one at 3b he should have seen, and if it was 2 man the PU would have responsibility over there.

PU has this responsibility no matter how many umpires, he has nothing else to watch.

Don't see how they could call interference since he didn't help the runner at all. Now if he had pushed him, or did anything else to help, you could make the call.

And then to let a coach talk you into a call, that's poor. Umpire must have been in over his head.

Thanks
David

[David B]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, I know who the Yeager person was, he was head rat, and he was trying to get the umpire to call it his way, and he succeeded. I wonder if any of the umpires even saw the actual collision.

I would bet this is what really happened.... sadly I don't think anyone saw it.
PU was probably watching the play instead of watching his runners :roll eyes:

Thanks
David

[garyevins]

4 man crew (split crew 2 from San Antonio, 2 from Corpus Christi). Corpus Christi had the plate. Umpire at 3 rd went out and didn't see the collision at 3rd.

[ozzy6900]

I am totally confused:

Huebner was focused on the plate. Gesell, well out of the coaches' box, was locked in on the other two runners on base and stepped into Huebner's path. Huebner bowled over Gesell and fell to the Whataburger Field turf. Huebner got up and scrambled home with the apparent tying run as the relay throw went past the catcher.

So, the 3rd base coach got tangled with his runner and they both go down. The runner gets up and makes it to the plate as the relay to F2 is overthrown.

If I have this right, where is there either interference or obstruction? If they both went down and the coach did nothing to assist the runner getting up, how can there be interference? It doesn't seem that the throw was interfered with in any way and no defensive player prevented the runner from advancing, so why was this not ruled a collision?

Please someone explain what the hell went on here!!!!

[thumpferee]

"I got the relay and looked up to throw, and there was someone standing right in my way," Cruz said. "I was like, whoa, why was he in front of me? I guessed he fell. I've got to move around and make a throw."

Sounds like the coach, who was out of the box, interfered with the throw home as he was getting up.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

"I got the relay and looked up to throw, and there was someone standing right in my way," Cruz said. "I was like, whoa, why was he in front of me? I guessed he fell. I've got to move around and make a throw."

Sounds like the coach, who was out of the box, interfered with the throw home as he was getting up.

That isn't what they are arguing about though. They are citing incorrectly that it is interference if the runner simply plows into the base coach. The winning coach said he was arguing for interference because of the initial collision, not the prevention of a throw home. The article and subsequent comments are murky, so absent a video, it's a YHTBT.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

"I got the relay and looked up to throw, and there was someone standing right in my way," Cruz said. "I was like, whoa, why was he in front of me? I guessed he fell. I've got to move around and make a throw."

Sounds like the coach, who was out of the box, interfered with the throw home as he was getting up.

I went back and read this part. So if this were the case, the call would be interference. The article was terribly written, even from a baseball fan's point of view.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

That isn't what they are arguing about though. They are citing incorrectly that it is interference if the runner simply plows into the base coach. The winning coach said he was arguing for interference because of the initial collision, not the prevention of a throw home. The article and subsequent comments are murky, so absent a video, it's a YHTBT.

No video posted on KZTCV10 of game 3. Sorry, It will have to remain a head scratcher.