BR retreats towards home plate. Legal?

[Justme561]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Buy time for other runners if the fielder's stupid enough to chase after him.

Hope the fielder trips and/or drops the ball during the effort so he can then get to 1B.

If you don't know why players do things maybe you don't understand the game well enough and shouldn't be umpiring.

I guess I haven't done enough 'baby ball' where things like this happen. Run all the way back to HP hoping that the fielder will fall down? Did you coach your players to do that? Hopefully the opposing coach taught his fielders to throw the ball to 1B when the BR ran toward HP. I admit it Rich, I do not understand that strategy. But maybe some day I will so that I can be as good of an umpire as you think you are.

[shickenbottom]

Originally Posted by Justme561

I guess I haven't done enough 'baby ball' where things like this happen. Run all the way back to HP hoping that the fielder will fall down? Did you coach your players to do that? Hopefully the opposing coach taught his fielders to throw the ball to 1B when the BR ran toward HP. I admit it Rich, I do not understand that strategy. But maybe some day I will so that I can be as good of an umpire as you think you are.

Justme, you are obviously in un-familiar territory calling out Rich, MB, and the likes.

Since you are new to this board, I would recommend staying back a bit and let the more experienced guys post responses until you learn who is who.

Otherwise, you will put yourself in a corner where relevance to the price of tea in china is even more meaningless than it is already.

Higgy

[Justme561]

Originally Posted by shickenbottom

Justme, you are obviously in un-familiar territory calling out Rich, MB, and the likes.

Since you are new to this board, I would recommend staying back a bit and let the more experienced guys post responses until you learn who is who.

Otherwise, you will put yourself in a corner where relevance to the price of tea in china is even more meaningless than it is already.

Higgy

Higgy, I thank you for you kind words of concern.

I know who Rich is and respect his knowledge base BUT I reserve the right to disagree with him or to make comments in response to unnecessary statements about whether or not I should umpiring.

I can certainly take constructive criticism without having my feelings hurt, in fact I am so secure with myself that even the nonconstructive criticism doesn't hurt my feelings. But like I said before I will comment when I feel a comment is necessary....

I bet that Rich and MB (I admit I do not know who he is) are not too devastated over my comments. Like me they probably demonstrate their abilities daily on the baseball field whether doing 12 yo's or college games (and that's the only place it matters). Regardless of the disagreements I have with others on this board or how they feel toward me I rest secure knowing that tomorrow the sun will shine and my dog will still love me.

Okay end of sermon, time to pass the offering plate around..... Peace

[RWASH]

Gang,

I see the NCAA rule and NFHS has the same rule, but I can't find any wording to that extent in the MLB rules. Only reference I see is 7.08 (i) After he has acquired legal possession of a base, he runs the bases in reverse order
for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game. The umpire shall immediately call “Time” and declare the runner out;

But this does not seem to apply either?

[MRD]

seriously! Let those of know when and how often we are allowed to post so we don't overstep our boundries

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Justme561

I guess I haven't done enough 'baby ball' where things like this happen. Run all the way back to HP hoping that the fielder will fall down? Did you coach your players to do that? Hopefully the opposing coach taught his fielders to throw the ball to 1B when the BR ran toward HP. I admit it Rich, I do not understand that strategy. But maybe some day I will so that I can be as good of an umpire as you think you are.

Hell - I've seen MLB players do it.

Any time you can forstall an out you open up the possibility of a good thing happening.

I don't know if there's an avaliable video anywhere but there was a play in MLB 50 or so years ago when a batter hit a ground ball up the 1B line. F3 (Norm Cash if I remember right) fielded the ball and looked to tag the BR. The BR stopped dead in his tracks. F3 turned and threw the ball to F1. BR then ran right by F3 and made it to 1B safely.

Do something strange - it may have a good result.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Justme561

I guess I haven't done enough 'baby ball' where things like this happen. Run all the way back to HP hoping that the fielder will fall down? Did you coach your players to do that? Hopefully the opposing coach taught his fielders to throw the ball to 1B when the BR ran toward HP. I admit it Rich, I do not understand that strategy. But maybe some day I will so that I can be as good of an umpire as you think you are.

You've never had a bunt and run play where the batter-runner pushes the ball towards F3 who plays the ball and advances towards the batter-runner?

The batter-runner stops and retreats, causing F3 to stop and make the throw to F4 at first for the put-out.....Meanwhile R1 is steaming around second and makes it to third standing up.

This play happened two weeks ago in a D1 college game I workedand I've seen other things happend from the batter-runner retreating.


Then again, I understand why you would be baffled about this seeing that your most memorable game of the year was actually not a game, but a shooting at prior to your JV game.

I guess the most memorable part was that you got paid.

[Justme561]

Originally Posted by asdf

You've never had a bunt and run play where the batter-runner pushes the ball towards F3 who plays the ball and advances towards the batter-runner?

The batter-runner stops and retreats, causing F3 to stop and make the throw to F4 at first for the put-out.....Meanwhile R1 is steaming around second and makes it to third standing up.

This play happened two weeks ago in a D1 college game I workedand I've seen other things happend from the batter-runner retreating.


Then again, I understand why you would be baffled about this seeing that your most memorable game of the year was actually not a game, but a shooting at prior to your JV game.

I guess the most memorable part was that you got paid.

I feel the love..........

You saw that in a D1 game you were working? I am impressed!

You shouldn't be a hater and bash me because of memorable game story. My guess is that you would have been like most of the people that were at the game when the shooting started....they ran for cover thinking only of themselves while some of us...... well we made a difference. Even if it was a small difference. Note: Actually in was a varsity game, the JV players were on another field practicing. Would it have mattered more to you if it were varsity players that the gunman was shooting at?

Wait, that was mean, I am being 'snarky' again.... please feel free to write me another bashing reply.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Justme561

I guess I haven't done enough 'baby ball' where things like this happen.

Wow... what is your problem, sir. Baby ball? I've seen this on MLB. Do you teach your batter-runner to simply run into the tag if F3 has the ball in front of him?

Run all the way back to HP hoping that the fielder will fall down? Did you coach your players to do that? Hopefully the opposing coach taught his fielders to throw the ball to 1B when the BR ran toward HP. I admit it Rich, I do not understand that strategy. But maybe some day I will so that I can be as good of an umpire as you think you are.

Of course they should throw to first. But if your BR keeps running, they don't have to. Retreating forces them to chase or throw to first, giving any other runner more time.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Buy time for other runners if the fielder's stupid enough to chase after him.

Hope the fielder trips and/or drops the ball during the effort so he can then get to 1B.

If you don't know why players do things maybe you don't understand the game well enough and shouldn't be umpiring.

I am in total agreement with you on this one. I also hate it when people trot out the travesty card!

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

If you don't know why players do things maybe you don't understand the game well enough and shouldn't be umpiring.

I can say the same thing for 99% of the coaches I've seen over the past fifteen years and say, you shouldn't be coaching!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

I can say the same thing for 99% of the coaches I've seen over the past fifteen years and say, you shouldn't be coaching!

This is also pretty much the case. I would venture to say there are way more incompetent coaches than incompetent umpires by percentage.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

This is also pretty much the case. I would venture to say there are way more incompetent coaches than incompetent umpires by percentage.

I would also say there is a much higher percentage of coaches who try to umpire than umpires who try to coach.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by newump

Ground ball up the first base line. F3 fields ball near line. As batter runner approaches F3, BR begins to retreat a couple of steps towards home to avoid the tag. * Is BR out if he backs up like this? * Or can he retreat all the way to home?
NCAA rule citation if possible.

It's real simple:

• In softball, the BR is out if he/she retreats toward home
• In baseball, the BR may retreat toward home but will be called out if he/she touches home plate

Is that simple enough?