TX HS pitch limits?

[umpjim]

My chapter made us aware of this UIL restriction but the enforcement would not be ours. We don't have access to the pitching records (we are there for most DHs but we don't keep track of the pitchers). We were told to refer this to the district chair (regular season) if it was brought up.
The cell phone call probably saved a much worse mess and the ump who took it was probably clueless but made the right decision.
SAump you sound like a fan.

Very little pitching restrictions in TX but this one is correct. Once you cool down the micro tears set in and hard throwing after that causes more damage. I even hate to see a removed F1 sent to RF where the possibility of a hard throw from a cold used arm might be possible.

[SAump]

From 2011-2012 UIL Baseball Manual, Regular Season Regulations
Pitching Limitation
A pitcher may pitch one game each day in an unlimited number of innings. If he pitches in more than one game during a day, he will be limited to a total of ten innings each day. It is strongly recommended that a player who has pitched a full game the previous day not be used as a pitcher the following day.


Coach A complains to the playoff umpire that coach B has violated the ruling above for regular season games and asks the umpire to remove the pitcher for team B. However, Coach A allows his pitcher who pitched a full game the previous day to pitch 5 innings the next day. Coach B insists that no playoff round stipulation exists for the last game of the season. It's win or go home! The umpire was not made aware of the entire ruling above, only the first two lines.

Does the last sentence mean anything in this situation and would you rule pitcher B inelgible?
Please add any comment on Coach A's strategy which may help to influence your decision.

[umpjim]

One is a limit, one is a strong recommendation. Both do not require umpires to do anything. It's up to UIL.
You still sound like a fan.
Although I believe I would have continued with the game and not taken a cell phone call. Then UIL could sort it out. Luckily, this ump took the call and probably saved a worse situation.

[thumpferee]

I'm curious as to why two outs were taken off the board. Could it be to avoid a protestable situation?

Otherwise, coach A should of let the kid finish the inning and protest the game. The ineligible player wasn't recognized until the phone call, so the game should have continued from that point.

[blueump]

LL is more stringent.

Quite a few years ago I was U1 of a state regional match up. The big stud pitcher from team A apparently pitched to one batter (it was actually only one pitch too!) more than the limitations allowed. Team B's coach called time and came out to question it. Both coaches brought out their documentation, I used a cell phone somebody had (back then that was a rarity!) and called the state tournament director. I shared what was on the documentation sheets. He told me that I was forced to issue an immediate forfeit, entering the score of 7-0. Game over!

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by blueump

LL is more stringent.

Quite a few years ago I was U1 of a state regional match up. The big stud pitcher from team A apparently pitched to one batter (it was actually only one pitch too!) more than the limitations allowed. Team B's coach called time and came out to question it. Both coaches brought out their documentation, I used a cell phone somebody had (back then that was a rarity!) and called the state tournament director. I shared what was on the documentation sheets. He told me that I was forced to issue an immediate forfeit, entering the score of 7-0. Game over!

Arre you trying to describe a LL situation here?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by umpjim

One is a limit, one is a strong recommendation. Both do not require umpires to do anything. It's up to UIL.
You still sound like a fan.
Although I believe I would have continued with the game and not taken a cell phone call. Then UIL could sort it out. Luckily, this ump took the call and probably saved a worse situation.

I would especially not take a call that I did not initiate unless I was sure I could recognize the voice on the other end. It could have just as easily been the coach's brother as the UIL.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I would especially not take a call that I did not initiate unless I was sure I could recognize the voice on the other end. It could have just as easily been the coach's brother as the UIL.

My thoughts exactly.

[umpjim]

Team B now has a protest that that rule does not pertain to postseason ("From 2011-2012 UIL Baseball Manual, Regular Season Regulations").

They might have a valid protest.