When has a batter given himself up?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Ditch "vicinity" - it's when he leaves the dirt circle. Saying "vicinity" validates the call in question and allows a discression not intended by rule.

GROUPthink is correct in LL rules.

In many 9-under games, the field is ALL dirt, which is probably why the "vicinity" clause is in the rule.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by CT1

In many 9-under games, the field is ALL dirt, which is probably why the "vicinity" clause is in the rule.

I added the word 'vicinity', precisely to address the situation you mention.

For those who dislike it, substitute "10-13 feet from the plate."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I added the word 'vicinity', precisely to address the situation you mention.

For those who dislike it, substitute "10-13 feet from the plate."

The reason Little League has cited for *not* moving to this is the inconsistency of the size of circles at fields used all over the country.

I had a HS player take one step towards his dugout and the other coach was all over us saying "He gave himself up!" Wrong rule set, wrong application. The coach was 0-for-2.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by CT1

In many 9-under games, the field is ALL dirt, which is probably why the "vicinity" clause is in the rule.

You had to beat me to it by a second

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by CT1

In many 9-under games, the field is ALL dirt, which is probably why the "vicinity" clause is in the rule.

"Vicinity" is not in the rule.

Rule 6.09(b) Comment: A batter who does not realize his situation on a third strike not caught, and who is not in the process of running to first base, shall be declared out once he leaves the dirt circle surrounding home plate.

If there's no grass then you can envision where it would be, but if you do so be consistent. Might even be worth scribing one at the start of the game.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Might even be worth scribing one at the start of the game.

No way, Jose!

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

"Vicinity" is not in the rule.
If there's no grass then you can envision where it would be, but if you do so be consistent. Might even be worth scribing one at the start of the game.

We don't have enough to do, now we line the field too?

Heck, I erase lines before the game starts. Dang white chalk from the catchers box always seems to get in my eyes and all over my clean shoes

[Rich Ives]

30 seconds scribibg a line versus a potential argument (or more) later on ("You let the other guy get farther from the plate and didn't call him out")? Priceless.

[thumpferee]

I've had games where they didn't even chalk the foul lines!

Let someone come out and argue a fair/foul call, go head, I dare you!

[johnnyg08]

This is judgment if there's not a circle there.

Call junior out. Nice time the next 9 year old Ken Griffey Jr. strikes out, he'll learn the situations where he should run.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

30 seconds scribibg a line versus a potential argument (or more) later on ("You let the other guy get farther from the plate and didn't call him out")? Priceless.

How does this differ from all of the other (much more common) - "you called that pitch for them, call it for us" - type arguments? You going to set up some lasers to make the strike zone in the air for them now? I think we all know how to handle, "You let the other guy get farther..." nonsense just fine.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Might even be worth scribing one at the start of the game.

YGTBSM!!!

I know you can't get this concept because all the fields where you live are pristine pastures of grassy splendor, but in many areas, 9 out of 10 fields are all dirt infields, or else just the infield itself is grass, but not the surrounding areas. Like California, for example. Nobody is going to "scribe" a circle around the plate area. Are you serious? These people can't be bothered to draw batters boxes or foul lines half the time, and you want a scribed circle? I guess we could draw it with a bat, since the chalk roller is usually locked up somewhere and not accessible.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

YGTBSM!!!

I know you can't get this concept because all the fields where you live are pristine pastures of grassy splendor, but in many areas, 9 out of 10 fields are all dirt infields. Like California, for example. Nobody is going to "scribe" a circle around the plate area. Are you serious? These people can't be bothered to draw batters boxes or foul lines half the time, and you want a scribed circle? I guess we could draw it with a bat, since the chalk roller is usually locked up somewhere and not accessible.

What if it is not locked up? Where did you get your stats about 9 out 10 fields? How do you know all the fields where Rich lives are pristine pastures of grassy splendor? Are you related to Doug Eddings?

[DG]

I don't think I have ever seen a batter walk off casually who was not tagged by the catcher.

And 9U leagues (and LL) allow batters to run to 1b when 3rd strike not caught? Thought that started when runners allowed to lead off.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by DG

I don't think I have ever seen a batter walk off casually who was not tagged by the catcher.

And 9U leagues (and LL) allow batters to run to 1b when 3rd strike not caught? Thought that started when runners allowed to lead off.

Great point DG!

Missed that +1