Foul Tip in Dirt

[Steven Tyler]

I'm having trouble visualizing a foul that the batter hit going down to the ground, and the catcher gloving it. Perhaps the PU was asking his partner if he saw a clean catch. Talk after the game.

This sounds like an episode of "Yes, Dear" I saw a few days ago.

[RPatrino]

Not to belabor the obvious, foul tips can never be in the dirt....just sayin.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

This sounds like an episode of "Yes, Dear" I saw a few days ago.

And Jimmy got hung out to dry twice by his partner. On the play at first, then not returning the favor on the play at the plate!

[DG]

I was at a pre-season scrimmage on 1b side drinking a coke when a LH batter tried to check his swing, he clearly did not, I could tell from where I was standing. Catcher, then HC asked for an appeal, PU would not go for it. They got into an argument about it. After the inning was over the PU takes his position along the foul line on the same side of the field as the defense coming off, and naturally, another argument ensues.

After his stint at the plate I asked him he learned anything, he seemed puzzled. I said #1, if they ask for an appeal ask your partner and don't worry about where they are, if they have nothing they will say so, but I could have called that one from behind the fence on the 1b side while drinking a coke. #2, never stand on the side of the field where defense comes off if something happened on defense that caused an argument. Go to opposite side.

In pre-game I always tell my partner that I am automatic on check swing appeals so be ready to give me what you got.

In your situtation, I would call time and have a meeting with my partner, tell him what I saw or did not see, and let him make the call after getting what feedback I have. The partner should realize it is his call, and after you get together and discuss the coach will know it was PU decision based on additional feedback and not just yours. And yes, have post game because he threw you under the bus.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Just asking a question, because I don't have a current copy of FED rules, and no longer work any FED games: I know that in OBR, the plate umpire must ask for help when requested, but not in FED, right? A PU can say, "No, he didn't go," and stick with his call no matter how much the defensive coach whines and complains about it, isn't that still the rule?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Just asking a question, because I don't have a current copy of FED rules, and no longer work any FED games: I know that in OBR, the plate umpire must ask for help when requested, but not in FED, right? A PU can say, "No, he didn't go," and stick with his call no matter how much the defensive coach whines and complains about it, isn't that still the rule?

Yes...the umpire making the decision may ask another umpire for information before making a final decision...

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Yes...the umpire making the decision may ask another umpire for information before making a final decision...

And the one that doesn't is the one that works sub-Varsity the rest of his career, wondering why he can't move up the ladder.

[Steven Tyler]

All that BS in a preseason scrimmage. Amazing. We volunteer our services free for scrimmages. The school pays the association $50.00 an hour for umps. No volunteers, no umpires.

It's a learning experience for umps, also.