NHFS Survey

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Some good "Would you like to see rules on the following..." sections, too. Maybe, just maybe, they'll drop the immediate dead ball on balks.

I'm happy with HS balks exactly the way they are and would be thrilled if NCAA/OBR killed the ball exactly the same. I'll make sure to fill out the questionnaire that way if that's a question.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

I'm happy with HS balks exactly the way they are and would be thrilled if NCAA/OBR killed the ball exactly the same. I'll make sure to fill out the questionnaire that way if that's a question.

I'll bite.

You enjoy penalizing the offense for a defensive mistake? What about the OBR/NCAA rule do you not like?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

I'll bite.

You enjoy penalizing the offense for a defensive mistake? What about the OBR/NCAA rule do you not like?

It's not penalizing anyone. The rule is consistent -- the batter is hitting a dead ball, not a pitch.

I just don't think it's that important. Everyone acts as though OBR is perfect and NFHS is flawed and for half a century all balks in OBR (until the mid-1950s) were immediately dead.

I call HS games, college games, and games under OBR and I just don't see why it's important to bring all the codes in line with each other. I'll simply call what the NFHS and my state tells me to call and not really care one way or the other.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

I'm happy with HS balks exactly the way they are and would be thrilled if NCAA/OBR killed the ball exactly the same. I'll make sure to fill out the questionnaire that way if that's a question.

I wonder if the guy who hits a home run after you call that balk would agree with you.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Not athletically gifted? I don't know if you umpired for the Special Olympics or something, but the HS ball out this way is the breeding ground for the pros. I have umpired for a couple dozen players that at least made it to the major league level. Most FED games here feature very skilled athletes. Some of our JV teams are better than many varsity squads in some other areas. Just the way it is.

It's not that way here. I have had one player get to MLB in 34 years of umpiring.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Not athletically gifted? I don't know if you umpired for the Special Olympics or something, but the HS ball out this way is the breeding ground for the pros. I have umpired for a couple dozen players that at least made it to the major league level. Most FED games here feature very skilled athletes. Some of our JV teams are better than many varsity squads in some other areas. Just the way it is.

It's not that way here. I have had one player get to MLB in 34 years of umpiring.

The SoCal area in general is a hotbed for baseball due to the climate. Baseball is played year-round and is comparable to HS football in the state of Texas. It's a pretty serious deal.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

The SoCal area in general is a hotbed for baseball due to the climate. Baseball is played year-round and is comparable to HS football in the state of Texas. It's a pretty serious deal.

And generally, baseball doesn't have to compete with that silly game played with nets on sticks. That sport has really hurt baseball in the northeast.

[BestUmp]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

And generally, baseball doesn't have to compete with that silly game played with nets on sticks. That sport has really hurt baseball in the northeast.

Has Muggle Quidditch grown so astronomically in SoCal? I did not know that!

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[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I wonder if the guy who hits a home run after you call that balk would agree with you.

When was the last time you saw a batter hit a home run when a balk was called. I'd say 99.9% of the time, the pitcher never releases the ball.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

When was the last time you saw a batter hit a home run when a balk was called. I'd say 99.9% of the time, the pitcher never releases the ball.

That's because at the FED level, umpires have lousy balk timing. I can't count how many times a balk has been called by a partner for F1 failing to stop--only to see a throw to a base follow. Sadder still is the number of coaches who aren't aware that F1 doesn't have to stop when throwing to a base.

Of course, this is northern ball. Southern and western FED play is superior beyond belief to the crap that passes as baseball in the upper midwest.

Pitchers fail to release the pitch after a balk call in the NCAA around these parts approximately half the time. Post-balk batted balls (not necessarily home runs) occur frequently.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Publius

Sadder still is the number of coaches who aren't aware that F1 doesn't have to stop when throwing to a base.

Of course, this is northern ball. Southern and western FED play is superior beyond belief to the crap that passes as baseball in the upper midwest.

Agree and agree. I've had TWO varsity coaches complain that the opposing pitcher was not stepping off before throwing to 1B for a pickoff. Just sad.

[Welpe]

It's not just batted balls but also wild pick off throws or pitches after the balk call. I had a balk the other night in a Pony game when the pitcher blew through his stop and committed to the plate. I called it and he ended up throwing a wild pitch. Nobody realized the ball was still live so the F2 lollygagged in retrieving it and R1 did a slow jog to second. He very likely could've had third.

[jicecone]

And therein lies the problem the NFHS has to deal with. There is one San Diego area out of hundred's of thousands of teams in this country that play under Federation HS rules. I don't know what leeway each State association has with the Fed Rules however they should be able to adjust to the needs of the different areas.

Some of those questions though ???.

Size of Black mark on players face?
Triplicate lineups.
Speed Up Rule (which in 99% of the cases slows down the game)
Face Masks Guards
Allowing corporate logos
Use of foul language an ejection.
Clarify an ejection administratively
Time between pitches from 20 -12 ????
Adding verbiage relative to the Federal Anti-Tampering Law to Rule 1

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

When was the last time you saw a batter hit a home run when a balk was called. I'd say 99.9% of the time, the pitcher never releases the ball.

May 19, 2011.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Matt

May 19, 2011.

I've got something even better. I've been in attendance for two MLB perfect games.

I hope my next big gambit is to win the lottery.