Dale Scott calls a ball foul then fair

[jicecone]

The first video I saw did'nt show this however after studying the MLB video it looks to me like he brought his hand up and then went further to make a fair call signal. I am not saying what he did looked good but as already pointed out it is nothing until "Time " is called. The picture is incriminating but does not tell the whole story. Good try though.

The runners were just as surprised and confused as everyone else so what is unusal with the fact that they are going to blame their confusion on the official.

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[BretMan]

Originally Posted by jicecone

The runners were just as surprised and confused as everyone else so what is unusal with the fact that they are going to blame their confusion on the official.

Yes, they were surprised and confused- because the umpire gave a surprising and confusing signal!

If he had just pointed fair in the first place, without all of the arms in the air stuff, do you think the runners would have still been confused?

[kylejt]

Here's what I see:

The PU's hands go up as a reaction to F2 looking for the ball.

THEN, his hands jump up in emphisis, and that's what nearly everyone sees as him calling TIME.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by kylejt

here's what i see:

The pu's hands go up as a reaction to f2 looking for the ball.

Then, his hands jump up in emphisis, and that's what nearly everyone sees as him calling time.

+1

[blueump]

I was watching the game live on MLB when it happened. My initial reaction was the same as the offensive team..he called it foul.

They then replayed it (of course) over and over again from multiple angles. I came away with this conclusion.

Initially his hands went up with closed fists appearing as if he were trying to not be hit with the ball. That action in itself confused me, since the ball clearly came off the bat and was no where near him.

It then appeared that he began to drop his hands, but then changed his mind and clearly and deliberately raised them up above his head as if he were calling a dead ball.

A split second latter he realized where the ball was and pointed fair. Then, almost as if he realized he had made a terrible mistake, he emphatically pointed fair multiple times - trying to "sell" the call.

I personally don't think it would have made a difference either way. Those that argue the base runners only returned because of the hands up are completely wrong...there is no way they could have made it to the next base in time. I do however believe that putting his hands up to call time should have killed the play immediately and he should have sucked it up and admitted he made a mistake. We don't expect them to be perfect, we do however expect them to have integrity! That is something he apparently doesn't have.

[David B]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Yes, they were surprised and confused- because the umpire gave a surprising and confusing signal!

If he had just pointed fair in the first place, without all of the arms in the air stuff, do you think the runners would have still been confused?

But these are MLB players. You should know to run on everything like that. You can always return if its called foul.

I know as PU, I've done the same thing trying to get out of the way of the F2 etc., it looks like a type of signal, but if he didn't say anything then its play on.

For sure, F2 didn't hear anything and made the play as he should have. If PU had called foul, time, or dead ball, F2 would have heard it for sure.

Thanks
David

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by David B

But these are MLB players. You should know to run on everything like that. You can always return if its called foul.

I know as PU, I've done the same thing trying to get out of the way of the F2 etc., it looks like a type of signal, but if he didn't say anything then its play on.

For sure, F2 didn't hear anything and made the play as he should have. If PU had called foul, time, or dead ball, F2 would have heard it for sure.

Thanks
David

Sure, you run on anything... until it's called foul. Which it appeared to be ... which is why they stopped!

[Steven Tyler]

The kick is up, and it's good.

I remember during the All Star game in St. Louis, Dana Demuth (PU) gave the basketball 20 second time out signal on a foul ball down in deep left field.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by David B

But these are MLB players. You should know to run on everything like that. You can always return if its called foul.

I know as PU, I've done the same thing trying to get out of the way of the F2 etc., it looks like a type of signal, but if he didn't say anything then its play on.

For sure, F2 didn't hear anything and made the play as he should have. If PU had called foul, time, or dead ball, F2 would have heard it for sure.

Thanks
David

You freeze on a line drive until it clears the infielders - you don't always run.

F2 had his back to the umpire - no way he could see a signal. Trouble is, the others could.

This ain't legion with 27 folks scattered about the park. In a MLB stadium full of noisy fans. You have to depend on seeing signals - because you can't always hear them.