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[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Thanks again, ever so much. Really. I have no idea how I ever managed a career with never having a protest over a call or complaint filed over game management without your amazing tips. Thanks to your input I know understand that when one does not do things as you suggest, it simply means that one is wrong.

Please, keep those tips and tidbits coming. I look forward to your advice daily. I know of no one else who so freely shares their superior knowledge. Really. Thank you.

With each post, you remind me and this board of a spoiled child who was caught behaving badly.

You profess endless umpiring knowledge but cannot fathom that drawing a line in the sand, per your suggestion, is a bad idea. Your advice is akin to stating, "One more word from you and you're done." That is called baiting. I know of no professional school that teaches such, nor any credible umpire who embraces that tact. Meanwhile, I suggest what every professional umpiring school currently does - umpire silence can never be misquoted. You seem to believe that I am alone in this belief. That arrogance is stupifying. You criticized another but cannot accept the same. Your post games must be amazingly frustrating for partners.

For what it's worth, the word is 'now' and not 'know'. If you intend to insult, don't make mistakes while doing so.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

With each post, you remind me and this board of a spoiled child who was caught behaving badly.

You profess endless umpiring knowledge but cannot fathom that drawing a line in the sand, per your suggestion, is a bad idea. Your advice is akin to stating, "One more word from you and you're done." That is called baiting. I know of no professional school that teaches such, nor any credible umpire who embraces that tact. Meanwhile, I suggest what every professional umpiring school currently does - umpire silence can never be misquoted. You seem to believe that I am alone in this belief. That arrogance is stupifying. You criticized another but cannot accept the same. Your post games must be amazingly frustrating for partners.

For what it's worth, the word is 'now' and not 'know'. If you intend to insult, don't make mistakes while doing so.

At some point, silence equals condoning the behavior. If a coach says, "That's two you missed," I'll probably ignore it. If that's interpreted as, "He mustn't have heard me, so I'll yell it louder," then it has to get addressed. Not addressing it at this point would not be the right solution.

I still haven't gotten a response, either - how is a quiet warning the same as drawing a line in the sand and baiting a coach? I'd never say, "one more word," but I have told coaches in arguments (at the college level), "you need to walk away now" and they did. If they don't, then they simply aren't getting the message and the ejection report writes itself.

It's been three years since my last college/HS ejection, but if I had one tomorrow I wouldn't interpret it as anything but another day at the office.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

At some point, silence equals condoning the behavior. If a coach says, "That's two you missed," I'll probably ignore it.

Thank you. That was my point. The best umpires know this. It is what the schools teach and veterans preach.

If that's interpreted as, "He mustn't have heard me, so I'll yell it louder," then it has to get addressed. Not addressing it at this point would not be the right solution.

Did you read what I suggested? I wrote that a simple head shake his way (parents know this well!) or a stop sign (palm up and held his direction) are far more professional for the comment he made. Neither bait and both demonstrate authority. I think you'll agree that the job gets done without the umpire being the aggressor.

I still haven't gotten a response, either - how is a quiet warning the same as drawing a line in the sand and baiting a coach?

It isn't a warning. It is a threat. As stated prior, it is akin to the amateur philosophy of "Another word from you and you are done!" What happens when he says, "You're right. I'm sorry."? You look silly, that's what happens.

I'd never say, "one more word," but I have told coaches in arguments (at the college level), "you need to walk away now" and they did. If they don't, then they simply aren't getting the message and the ejection report writes itself.

That is a directive, not a threat. That is a reasonable response to many situations, especially at the college level. You agreed with my contention that the umpire lets the coach eject himself. There is no need to bait.

It's been three years since my last college/HS ejection, but if I had one tomorrow I wouldn't interpret it as anything but another day at the office.

Agreed. I don't worry about coaches who get tossed. It has been even longer since I ejected a coach. I don't bait and they don't feel a need to cross a line. Like you, I don't worry about comments like "That's two you missed." Silence can never be misquoted does not mean ignore blatant infractions of the rules. For me, it is a guiding principle - don't make a small problem become a big one by baiting a contestant. Enjoy your spring.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

At some point, silence equals condoning the behavior. If a coach says, "That's two you missed," I'll probably ignore it.

I don't say very much to coaches except usually, "That's enough. I don't want to hear anymore about it."

I did get, "That's two you've missed." I just gave him, "What game are you watching, because I can think of at least three or four more."

Got a huge response from the audience. Feel free to borrow.

Oh, one of my other classics was, "You gotta get better, Blue!" "You think this is bad, you should have seen my last game." with a Groucho Marx cigar flare. (But that was to a parent sitting behind home plate, not a coach) Not as good as the first one IMO, but effective none the less.

[BestUmp]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

I don't say very much to coaches except usually, "That's enough. I don't want to hear anymore about it."

I did get, "That's two you've missed." I just gave him, "What game are you watching, because I can think of at least three or four more."

Got a huge response from the audience. Feel free to borrow.

Oh, one of my other classics was, "You gotta get better, Blue!" "You think this is bad, you should have seen my last game." with a Groucho Marx cigar flare. (But that was to a parent sitting behind home plate, not a coach) Not as good as the first one IMO, but effective none the less.

Excellent. Must work well for you. I prefer reason!

I use reason with the Coach. I listen to him carefully, I attempt reason once again! If he persists in being unreasonable, I remind him that I would not care to, but I shall, use the reasonable rules invested in me to disallow any further participation in the game by him.

You see, reason rules...or the coach must be extricated!

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

If you intend to insult, don't make mistakes while doing so.

Not at all my intention. Thanks, however for your input. Again you go out of your way to share your experience, vast knowledge and never erring writing with us. I know I appreciate it and from what I hear from my Illinois friends, it is very typical of you to be this unselfish and giving. Thanks, again. I look forward to your next post.

[MikeStrybel]

I see you are still unable to discuss baseball umpiring and rely on personal attacks to feel better about yourself. I use my legal name and use this board to learn and help. Try it some time.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by mikestrybel

i i use my legal name and use this board to learn and help.

Otherwise known as WWMD?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

I see you are still unable to discuss baseball umpiring and rely on personal attacks to feel better about yourself. I use my legal name and use this board to learn and help. Try it some time.

Thank you for your interest and suggestion. I will give it all the consideration it is due. Really, my most sincere thanks. And I know I speak for the entire board when I thank you for all your help.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Thank you for your interest and suggestion. I will give it all the consideration it is due. Really, my most sincere thanks. And I know I speak for the entire board when I thank you for all your help.

You're another "prick" off the old block like your crybaby cousin (if y'all ain't one in the same). If you ever add to a thread by really discussing the issue, instead of telling others in such a diverse manner that they're idiots for not having your vast superior knowledge, it would be the first f*ckin' time.

Perhaps you should add Mike's worthless tail end to your elite ignore list.

Maybe in the future you might want to consider what you say as part of the problem. Your superiority complex, only encourages others to act in the same manner. Being antagonistic, and arrogant aren't considered good qualities by the mass majority.

PS-Hopes this pisses you off, but you wouldn't tell the truth if it did anyway. Seeing that your such a devout disciple of Jim Evans, I sure he would be appalled at the way you present yourself.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

You're another "prick" off the old block like your crybaby cousin (if y'all ain't one in the same). If you ever add to a thread by really discussing the issue, instead of telling others in such a diverse manner that they're idiots for not having your vast superior knowledge, it would be the first f*ckin' time.

Is there an intelligent comment anywhere in here?

Perhaps you should add Mike's worthless tail end to your elite ignore list.

Oh, there it is. Thanks.

I'm just trying to find the good in everyone and act civilly, no accusations, no arguments. Perhaps you prefer a pissing contest? Not me. I'd just rather get along. Even with you.