ML rules balk

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The video guy was thinking of the pitch that bounces in, fielded cleanly (but not CAUGHT), and thrown to 2B to get the runner diving back to the base.

Just make it clear, the ball remains in play only if it's ball 4 AND all runners get to advance becaue it's ball 4.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by dileonardoja

Don't you mean diving over a fielder is illegal (FED). Diving back to a base is certainly OK.

Yep - I'll fix it.

[DG]

Nobody mentions 2:05 in the video.

[JR12]

Good point!

[gpdeppert]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

JR,

"He" is mistaken.

From the MLBUM:



There is an exception noted if the pitch is ball four and all runners would be forced to advance by the batter's award of 1B. Then you keep it live and allow the play to continue.

So, if the pitch were ball 4, "He" would be correct - otherwise, he's not.

JM

Just to clarify: Catcher catches pitch in flight. Call time - enforce balk. (Got it.)

Pitch skips in dirt BUT catcher still picks it clean - call time and enforce balk? (This is where I get fuzzy)

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Just make it clear, the ball remains in play only if it's ball 4 AND all runners get to advance becaue it's ball 4.

False. The ball also remains in play on a batted ball, a passed ball, a wild pitch, and a wild throw to a base.

Edited to add: you might be saying this: on ball 4, the ball remains live only if all runners are forced to advance by the BR's award. That's true!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by gpdeppert

Just to clarify: Catcher catches pitch in flight. Call time - enforce balk. (Got it.)

Pitch skips in dirt BUT catcher still picks it clean - call time and enforce balk? (This is where I get fuzzy)

Yes. The defense is not permitted to play on a runner before he reaches his advance base, so you should never have the situation suggested in the video.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbyron

False. The ball also remains in play on a batted ball, a passed ball, a wild pitch, and a wild throw to a base.

Read it in context. I said that because I was responding in the thread about the pitch being ball 4.

[gpdeppert]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Yes. The defense is not permitted to play on a runner before he reaches his advance base, so you should never have the situation suggested in the video.

So the fact that the pitch SKIPS does not change the situation? I understand that a wild pitch remains a live ball.

[UmpJM]

gdpeppert,

That is correct - the essential element is not whether the catcher "legally caught the pitch in flight", but whether or not he immediately controlled/gloved the pitch.

JM

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

gdpeppert,

That is correct - the essential element is not whether the catcher "legally caught the pitch in flight", but whether or not he immediately controlled/gloved the pitch.

JM

Right. For instance: strike 3, ball in the dirt, the BR takes off. If the ball goes to the backstop, we let the play go. If the BR and each runner reaches his advance base, the play stands; otherwise, enforce the balk.

But if F2 comes up with the ball immediately, kill it and enforce the balk. Advance the runners, no pitch to the batter, bring him back to the plate. No point letting this go, since the defense can't record an out here.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Read it in context. I said that because I was responding in the thread about the pitch being ball 4.

What context? You quoted me, and I wasn't talking about ball 4.

Uncharacteristically ambiguous and misleading post from you. C'mon coach!

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbyron

What context? You quoted me, and I wasn't talking about ball 4.

Uncharacteristically ambiguous and misleading post from you. C'mon coach!

Nice try. But I was responding to your response to UmpJM and he WAS talking about the ball 4 exception. Like I said - I was responding in a THREAD about ball 4, not just your post.