Fisrt Aid training for Umpires?

[kylejt]

Toss out the umpire side of it for a moment. Knowing CPR is a valuable skill that we'd all be better off for knowing.

My wife's uncle was one of three guys who invented CPR 50 years ago. I was at an event honoring these fellows, where they gathered 50 people whose lives were saved by others performing CPR on them. They ranged from older folks to young kids. It was quite moving, and a real eye opener.

I had my heart rhythm altered by taking a foul ball to my less-than-worthless soft chest protector in a LL minors game years ago. Under different circumstances, that could have stopped my heart, leaving me with just a few minutes for someone to save my life. I'd like to think that one of the hundred or so folks at the park would have stepped up, and save me.

Me, I've been Red Cross trained, and have some outside skills through my work. I'm going to make sure professionals are on their way, and do my best to stabilize things until they get there, if needed. I know, by experience, that it takes 5 minutes for them to get to our field. So, I'll do what I can, until someone with superior skills steps in.

When someone is hurt, the last thing on my mind is my personal liability. If I can help, I will. YMMV.

[briancurtin]

I've been CPR and first-aid certified and re-certified a few times over the last 5 years and was told to save that training for off the field unless, like yawetag said, it's life threatening.

Could I help splint a kid to get him off the field when he breaks his leg? Yeah, but the ambulance is on the way. Let the team trainers do their thing -- at the lower levels, let the moms do their thing. If CPR is needed, then CPR is needed -- I'd jump in there.

[MikeStrybel]

Almost every game I work has a trainer present. They are almost always qualified to take care of anything we see on the field or in the stands. I have only seen an ambulance called once for an injury that they could not treat properly - a bee sting that put the young man into shock. The EMTs were on the scene in a few minutes to take care of him.

While I recognize some may feel compelled not to help, here in Illinois there is no real reason no to, if you can. Exemption from civil liability for emergency care is provided in the Good Samaritan Act. Check the provisions of your state or municipality.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

While I recognize some may feel compelled not to help, here in Illinois there is no real reason no to, if you can. Exemption from civil liability for emergency care is provided in the Good Samaritan Act. Check the provisions of your state or municipality.

I won't make this a legal thread, but Good Samaritan shouldn't be used as a reason to treat someone for anything other than life-threatening ones.

[bniu]

The rec league I worked in, all umpires/referees were employees of the league and we were required to be current on all of our CPR/first aid training as well as the site supervisors for each night of games (who were usually off duty refs). Our duties called for us to assist in first aid when players got injured, help sign in players, and even hand out trophies after championship games.

For other leagues where I wasn't required to maintain first aid currency, I just exercise good common sense. If it's life threatening, obviously help out, if it's major, try our best to shield the player from further injury, and get play stopped as quickly as we can to let the player receive help, etc. For hot summer days, I'm quite lenient on players calling time to get a drink of water, no need for heat stroke to happen on the field. If bad blood is simmering between the teams, I try my best to get them to cool it before a fight breaks out...

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by yawetag

I won't make this a legal thread, but Good Samaritan shouldn't be used as a reason to treat someone for anything other than life-threatening ones.

I wasn't trying to make this a legal thread either. I simply reminded the board that here in Illinois, if you are emergency response trained, you really have no reason not to help when it is needed. I have never had the reason to assist while umpiring, but as a certified first responder, I would have no worries about it. I have had to help while coaching and the same laws protect me. I carry a full med kit and epi pens while coaching and it stays in my trunk now. I hope I never have to use any of it but am prepared nonetheless.

The OP asked a valid question. The Red Cross teaches an excellent CPR program. It has changed dramatically over the past twenty years, when I first learned it. Your local fire department or Y may offer a course in emergency first response and CPR. If you are a parent of young kids they are nice to know and may be much more. Life threatening issues can arise quickly - from a bee sting to a bean ball. Knowing that I can help if needed is comforting. I wish you all a season free of such drama.

[ozzy6900]

Basic first aid - let the trainer and coaches handle the issue
Medical Emergency - let the trainer and coaches handle it.

We are umpires, not medical personnel.

Exception:
If you are a medical technician, doctor or nurse and your State mandates that you must step in, then do so.

I understand that many of you are going to jump on this but please tell me how you are going to perform CPR in your plate gear? Bending over a victim with a West Vest and kneeling on shin guards?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I understand that many of you are going to jump on this but please tell me how you are going to perform CPR in your plate gear? Bending over a victim with a West Vest and kneeling on shin guards?

You guys have both umpires dressed in plate gear out your way? Weird.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I understand that many of you are going to jump on this but please tell me how you are going to perform CPR in your plate gear? Bending over a victim with a West Vest and kneeling on shin guards?

Start by taking your mask off.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by yawetag

I won't make this a legal thread, but Good Samaritan shouldn't be used as a reason to treat someone for anything other than life-threatening ones.

I disagree. If everyone on the field had this attitude, then when poor Johnny trips over himself sliding, you'd have every single adult at the field just staring at him refusing to help. That's absurd. You may not want, as umpire, to jump in on a routine case - but the coaches who DO jump in would be (and should be) treated as Good Samaritans if that is applicable in your area.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I disagree. If everyone on the field had this attitude, then when poor Johnny trips over himself sliding, you'd have every single adult at the field just staring at him refusing to help. That's absurd. You may not want, as umpire, to jump in on a routine case - but the coaches who DO jump in would be (and should be) treated as Good Samaritans if that is applicable in your area.

In my case, I have been trained to give emergency care. While my license was active (I've let it lapse), my only legal obligation in an emergency (that I wasn't called to for my job) was to call 9-1-1, and anything above that fell under my certification. Because of this, if I did something wrong, Good Samaritan would not help me at all. For someone who is CPR certified, Good Samaritan will not protect you if you do something above your level of training or if you do it incorrectly.

My point is that helping someone without proper training and using "Good Samaritan" to back up your assistance won't always help.

Again, I don't want to make this a legal thread.

[cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by yawetag

In my case, I have been trained to give emergency care. While my license was active (I've let it lapse), my only legal obligation in an emergency (that I wasn't called to for my job) was to call 9-1-1, and anything above that fell under my certification. Because of this, if I did something wrong, Good Samaritan would not help me at all. For someone who is CPR certified, Good Samaritan will not protect you if you do something above your level of training or if you do it incorrectly.

My point is that helping someone without proper training and using "Good Samaritan" to back up your assistance won't always help.

Again, I don't want to make this a legal thread.

Then don't: 'cause your legal advice: "For someone who is CPR certified, Good Samaritan will not protect you if you do something above your level of training or if you do it incorrectly." - is incorrect in at least 3 jurisdictions [where I am licensed], and I suspect probably more. I admit to knowing nothing about the law where you live.

Ultimately, I think Mike said it best: do what lets you sleep well at night.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by yawetag

In my case, I have been trained to give emergency care. While my license was active (I've let it lapse), my only legal obligation in an emergency (that I wasn't called to for my job) was to call 9-1-1, and anything above that fell under my certification. Because of this, if I did something wrong, Good Samaritan would not help me at all. For someone who is CPR certified, Good Samaritan will not protect you if you do something above your level of training or if you do it incorrectly.

My point is that helping someone without proper training and using "Good Samaritan" to back up your assistance won't always help.

Again, I don't want to make this a legal thread.

Andrew, you may want to check your state law. Missouri law Chapter 537.037 (2) states:

"2. Any other person who has been trained to provide first aid in a standard recognized training program may, without compensation, render emergency care or assistance to the level for which he or she has been trained, at the scene of an emergency or accident, and shall not be liable for civil damages for acts or omissions other than damages occasioned by gross negligence or by willful or wanton acts or omissions by such person in rendering such emergency care."

Here in Illinois, we are not held liable for administering ordinary emergency care.

(745 ILCS 49/67)
Sec. 67. First aid providers; exemption for first aid. Any person who is currently certified in first aid by the American Red Cross, the American Heart Association, or the National Safety Council and who in good faith provides first aid without fee to any person shall not, as a result of his or her acts or omissions, except willful and wanton misconduct on the part of the person in providing the aid, be liable to a person to whom such aid is provided for civil damages.

As you noted, if I were to do something that I knew to be harmful then I would lose protection. CB could clarify what willful and wanton mean exactly - legal semantics give me headaches - but I read that to mean that I deliberately acted to hurt the person. I don't see this as an issue for me. Most of us who sought the training want to help when we can. We teach in PADI, when in doubt, always ask, "I am an emergency first responder, can I help you?"

The statute regarding those who aren't trained but still offer ordinary help has already been cited. They too are protected in Illinois. I hope they are in your state as well.

Go get recertified, you never know when you'll need it and the techniques are constantly changing. Best of luck.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by yawetag

In my case, I have been trained to give emergency care. While my license was active (I've let it lapse), my only legal obligation in an emergency (that I wasn't called to for my job) was to call 9-1-1, and anything above that fell under my certification. Because of this, if I did something wrong, Good Samaritan would not help me at all. For someone who is CPR certified, Good Samaritan will not protect you if you do something above your level of training or if you do it incorrectly.

My point is that helping someone without proper training and using "Good Samaritan" to back up your assistance won't always help.

Again, I don't want to make this a legal thread.

If true (and what you say is NOT true here, but I'm no lawyer), that really sucks that they would create a law so that the person who is MOST likely to be able to help in a situation like this is legally unable to help. Rather dumb, that.