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Mon Jun 09, 2003, 01:29pm
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Help - clarification:
Situation. Pony baseball - OBR rules: R1 and no outs. F2 attempts a snap throw to F3 to pick-off R1 at first base. R1 dives back into first base. Ball glances off F3 glove and trickles into DBT. What base should R1 be awarded? Second or Third? Based on time of throw I awarded R1 second base - going back to 1st as one base and awarded him 2nd base as the second base. If based on TOT is going back to bag considered one base? However, as this is the first play by an infielder and not a pass ball or wild pitch, should I have awarded two bases based on the time of pitch? Thus the runner should have ended up at 3rd? Thanks in advance for your help and insight. 
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Mon Jun 09, 2003, 01:48pm
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Seems to me it really doesn't matter if you are going from the time the pitch was thrown or when the wild throw was made in this situation. Either way, the last base occupied by the runner was first. Throwing into DBT by a fielder is a two base award I believe so it seems third base should be awarded.
The runner was not required to tag up at first so I don't understand why once of the base awards would be a Tag up? Never heard of that. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd base award.
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Mon Jun 09, 2003, 02:00pm
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He gets third.
2 Bases from where he was at the time of the throw. It does NOT matter which way he was running at the time. 7.05 Each runner including the batter runner may, without liability to be put out, advance_ g) Two bases when, with no spectators on the playing field, a thrown ball goes into the stands, or into a bench (whether or not the ball rebounds into the field), or over or under or through a field fence, or on a slanting part of the screen above the backstop, or remains in the meshes of a wire screen protecting spectators. The ball is dead. When such wild throw is the first play by an infielder, the umpire, in awarding such bases, shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the ball was pitched; in all other cases the umpire shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the wild throw was made;
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Mon Jun 09, 2003, 02:06pm
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Thank you gentlemen. The further along I was into writing the post the more I was able to see my error, but thought I'd post anyway to confirm it.
Not sure why I felt compelled to protect runner back to first on the dive and count that as one baseĀ Thanks again for the lesson.
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