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Old Fri Sep 16, 2011, 02:53pm
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Wasn't Al Clark fired for shoplifting baseball cards? I seem to remember that story from years back....

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Wasn't Al Clark fired for shoplifting baseball cards? I seem to remember that story from years back....

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Al Clark already mentioned here... downgrading plane tickets and using the difference for personal trips. He was under investigation for the other when this happened.
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John,
I was at a clinic with Tim Tschida shortly after the Clark's story broke. He was hesitant to say but a bit of prodding from the umpires present brought out allegations of memorabilia abuse. Clark had worked some high profile games and allegedly marketed baseballs from those games. It turned out that the balls were frauds. MLB discovered the activities. Apparently there was a history there and fellow umpires knew. He was prosecuted for it if I remember correctly. It's too bad, he was one of the first to wear glasses on the field and brought some levity to the game. The Dave Pallone firing was far more troubling. The Commish at the time was a homophobe who feared bad PR. Maybe you remember the umpire's name, I am on my Droid and won't look it up, who was fired for trying to unionize MLB crews. More bad PR.

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The Dave Pallone firing was far more troubling. The Commish at the time was a homophobe who feared bad PR.
I would love to see the deceased Commish's rich son sue you for libel. Pallone was a scab and his days were numbered from the day he crossed the line.
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I would love to see the deceased Commish's rich son sue you for libel. Pallone was a scab and his days were numbered from the day he crossed the line.
Why the F would you want to see someone get sued for posting their opinion on a forum? That's pretty mean-spirited, don't you think? What, are you a trial attorney or something?
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Why the F would you want to see someone get sued for posting their opinion on a forum? That's pretty mean-spirited, don't you think? What, are you a trial attorney or something?
Bart Giamatti was a good man. Mr Strybel didn't post his opinion(never mentioned it was), he committed libel unless he can prove that Giamatti was a homophobe. Someone who just throws things out there thinking that they are protected by the first amendment needs to make sure they can back up what they say. It's no different than saying you are a homophobe, SDS. Would you like someone saying that about you?

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Bart Giamatti was a good man. Mr Strybel didn't post his opinion, he committed libel unless he can prove that Giamatti was a homophobe. Someone who just throws things out there thinking that they are protected by the first amendment needs to make sure they can back up what they say. It's no different than saying you are a homophobe, SDS. Would you like someone saying that about you?
You just proved you don't know the legal standards for libel.
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he committed libel unless he can prove that Giamatti was a homophobe.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you can't libel the dead.
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Bart Giamatti was a good man. Mr Strybel didn't post his opinion(never mentioned it was), he committed libel unless he can prove that Giamatti was a homophobe. Someone who just throws things out there thinking that they are protected by the first amendment needs to make sure they can back up what they say. It's no different than saying you are a homophobe, SDS. Would you like someone saying that about you?
Nice try. We state our opinions here. At least I have the courage to use my name. Pallone's termination letter included homophobic rationale. Read James Reston's Collision at Home Plate: The lives of Pete Rose and Bart Giamatti. It appears to be the opinion of others too.

If reading a book is too much of a challenge, Google Dave Pallone. You will find numerous sites commenting on his firing and the homophobia the was pervasive in MLB at the time. Many sites include Pallone's own words. But, I suggest some of you read his dismissal letter before looking silly. In it, through the league attorney, A. Bartlett Giamatti cites a story from Pete Rose (who had run ins with Pallone on the field) regarding Pallone picking up a man at a Cincinnatti bar. The rumors were investigated by MLB but umtimately proved false. In firing Pallone in 1988, Giamatti stated, "We just don't feel you can handle the pressure from all the negative publicity." By inserting the alleged gay activity into the termination letter, the commssioner allowed for homophobia to prevail. At the time, Pallone was regarded as a solid umpire on the field. Giamatti was a moralist who held his charges to a high standard. We all know how he handled Pete Rose.

I also want to point out the lunacy of calling Pallone a scab. He was a Minor League umpire who worked to be among the best. He wanted to work MLB baseball and had the opportunity when those umpires walked out thinking they would end the season. They didn't. After the strike, he was retained by MLB because he was good. He worked the 1983 Major League Baseball All-Star Game and the 1987 National League Championship Series so his talent on the field was considerably more than what is possessed by those here. Pallone worked at a time when umpires could get in the faces of players and managers. Google his run in with Rose. He was a lightning rod and paid the price.

Back when the MiLB guys went on strike, I remember reading a piece by an SI writer. In it, he said that those who chose to cross the picket line were similar to Jackie Robinson. They were good enough but the door was closed and they wanted to live the dream. Those are his thoughts, not mine. While not a perfect comparison, it does allow for haters to deny that someone deserved to be there.

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Bart Giamatti was a good man.
Lots of good men have been homophobic and homosexual. What's the point?

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It's no different than saying you are a homophobe, SDS. Would you like someone saying that about you?
I've been called worse. I certainly wouldn't sue somebody over it.

You could have said, "Hey Mike, you might want to be careful saying that without proof, there could be legal repercussions." Instead, you lashed out and wished him financial harm and legal troubles in a venomous fashion. That sucks, buddy.
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Wasn't Al Clark fired for shoplifting baseball cards? I seem to remember that story from years back....

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Don't know about Al Clark, but Bob Engel's career ended when he was caught shoplifting about 4,000 baseball cards from a Target store.
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