LLWS Video on last play?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

By the looks of that simple safe/out call at first that was blown (and should have been challenged), these umpires can use all the help from replay they can get.

If you're talking the one in this game it was a banger and not that obvious and the CA coach was so focused on the "out of baseline" discussion he overlooked the thing he should have seen.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

If you're talking the one in this game it was a banger and not that obvious and the CA coach was so focused on the "out of baseline" discussion he overlooked the thing he should have seen.

Only a banger to the untrained eye. Fairly routine for competent umpires to never miss.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Only a banger to the untrained eye. Fairly routine for competent umpires to never miss.

Like Jim Joyce in the perfect game fiasco?

Or Don Denkinger in the WS.

Or Richie Garcia on the Jeter HR/Interference in the playoffs?

Nope - competent umpires never miss a call do they?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Like Jim Joyce in the perfect game fiasco?

Or Don Denkinger in the WS.

Or Richie Garcia on the Jeter HR/Interference in the playoffs?

Nope - competent umpires never miss a call do they?

Rarely.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Like Jim Joyce in the perfect game fiasco?

The Gods of Baseball got that game correct. The Tigers' F3 had no business fielding the ball. Had the F3 allowed F4 to field the grounder the B/R runner would have been out F4 to F3 by 30 feet. Both Mark, Jr., and Andy (my younger son, and both F3's in their playing days) both said that the very first time they saw the play.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. Besides the Tigers' F1 appeared to bobble the throw.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The Gods of Baseball got that game correct. The Tigers' F3 had no business fielding the ball. Had the F3 allowed F4 to field the grounder the B/R runner would have been out F4 to F3 by 30 feet. Both Mark, Jr., and Andy (my younger son, and both F3's in their playing days) both said that the very first time they saw the play.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. Besides the Tigers' F1 appeared to bobble the throw.

Jim Joyce looked at replay and admitted he blew the call. What are missing, Mark?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Like Jim Joyce in the perfect game fiasco?

Or Don Denkinger in the WS.

Or Richie Garcia on the Jeter HR/Interference in the playoffs?

Nope - competent umpires never miss a call do they?

Rich, you have jumped the shark.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Like Jim Joyce in the perfect game fiasco?

Or Don Denkinger in the WS.

Or Richie Garcia on the Jeter HR/Interference in the playoffs?

Nope - competent umpires never miss a call do they?

Gee, and I always thought it was all part of the game of baseball. I guess LL has become so important that no call can be left to human interpretation. Tell me, how soon will cameras make it to your local LL field? Hell, if the call is that important in the LLWS, then it has to be important during the regular season!

After all, as all of you LL'ers always say - "it's all for the kids!!!!!!"

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Gee, and I always thought it was all part of the game of baseball. I guess LL has become so important that no call can be left to human interpretation. Tell me, how soon will cameras make it to your local LL field? Hell, if the call is that important in the LLWS, then it has to be important during the regular season!

After all, as all of you LL'ers always say - "it's all for the kids!!!!!!"

This isn't about the cameras. It's about people disparaging LL and saying that an experienced umpire would not make a mistake.

[MD Longhorn]

Rich ... I think part of this lies in the fact that a real umpire would be offended if every single call was reviewed to this extent (even if they didn't say so out loud). I think most of your readers are offended on behalf of the umpires forced to work under these conditions and perhaps make the leap from there to inferring that any umpire with a grain of pride in his job would actually NOT work given these conditions.

LL is basically saying that the assumption is that the umpires suck, and they must act accordingly.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Rich ... I think part of this lies in the fact that a real umpire would be offended if every single call was reviewed to this extent (even if they didn't say so out loud). I think most of your readers are offended on behalf of the umpires forced to work under these conditions and perhaps make the leap from there to inferring that any umpire with a grain of pride in his job would actually NOT work given these conditions.

LL is basically saying that the assumption is that the umpires suck, and they must act accordingly.

NFL, MLB, NHL & NBA have replay and I'm not under the assumption they suck. People have choices. Make the one that you can live with.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Rich ... I think part of this lies in the fact that a real umpire would be offended if every single call was reviewed to this extent (even if they didn't say so out loud). I think most of your readers are offended on behalf of the umpires forced to work under these conditions and perhaps make the leap from there to inferring that any umpire with a grain of pride in his job would actually NOT work given these conditions.

LL is basically saying that the assumption is that the umpires suck, and they must act accordingly.

1) No, they are not. They are declaring finality to a system that involves players and umpires from around the globe. They have experienced problems prior and seek to have a means to address it. That is all it is.

2) Anyone who has been through pro school or worked in the Minors knows this type of scrutiny exists.

3) I find it funny that umpires would ridicule those who have achieved the highest accolade in small ball - the opportunity to work the LLWS. Those umpires work without pay for years, finance their way through tournaments and when called, pay for the Williamsport trip too. It is a proud moment for youth officials and hardly warrants suck attack from others. I don't work small ball but believe that the crews who worked this year did a great job. Making fun of them and their achievement is petty. Do you also ridicule the CWS crews that worked this year?

4) We dedicated a thread to congratulating Bob on winning an award in Illinois this year. Why is it so hard to simply do the same to those who worked the LLWS?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

This isn't about the cameras. It's about people disparaging LL and saying that an experienced umpire would not make a mistake.

I watched most of the games, and the umpires were reversed several times. There were a few real doozies. I don't recall missing this many calls in a year, much less in such a short time frame as this series.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I watched most of the games, and the umpires were reversed several times. There were a few real doozies. I don't recall missing this many calls in a year, much less in such a short time frame as this series.

I wonder (seriously) if the knowledge that their calls were going to be scrutinized via instant replay didn't somehow facilitate the bigger misses.

Tim.

[THoy]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Like Jim Joyce in the perfect game fiasco?

Or Don Denkinger in the WS.

Or Richie Garcia on the Jeter HR/Interference in the playoffs?

Nope - competent umpires never miss a call do they?

Well put. Some people don't ever miss.