Lets see how MLB handles this one....

[asdf]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

And as I have posted, umpiring for ratings is something some HAVE to do. It is still sad, but I understand that some feel the need to ignore the rules for personal gratification. That is not a statement of superiority but rather acknowledgement of reality for some. If you find yourself umpiring at the MLB level, consider Mike Port's thoughts regarding QuesTec.

Most MLB guys are ridiculously consistent, QT park or not. The adjustiment you speak of is statistically irrelevant to their scores. You may have noticed that MLB has directed its umpires to make the correct call and not the expected one lately. They still want the correct call, Port merely affirmed that they will alter scores if such a pitch occurs and is called. The ZE system is not highly regarded within the WUA and that concession is wise, but almost useless, given that scores are really high already.

Who in the major league office wants a 12-6 curveball that hits the ground called a strike because it "passed through the zone"???

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by asdf

Who in the major league office wants a 12-6 curveball that hits the ground called a strike because it "passed through the zone"???

I don't know, call them. I'm pretty sure that plenty of pitchers do.

Do you also ignore the pitch that cuts through the front of the zone but tails away (or in, as it were), making the catcher adjust his mitt outside the zone? I was always under the impression that players and coaches liked to see strikes called.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

I don't know, call them. I'm pretty sure that plenty of pitchers do.

That's right....you don't know....

You stated earlier that...

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

You may have noticed that MLB has directed its umpires to make the correct call and not the expected one lately.

Again, I ask who in the MLB office, not a pitcher, (nice try) wants a 12-6 hitting the ground called a strike? Better yet, when is the last time you saw a 12-6 hit the ground and called a strike?

Never mind... most everyone knows this answer.



There is a reason why you don't see arguments on a ball beating the runner and the tag is belt high after the feet hit the bag. It's the same reason why the neighborhood play is called the way it is.

The spats that occur are when it is perceived that the accepted perameters have been exceeded. (bad throw, attempted evasive action by a runner...etc)

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by asdf

That's right....you don't know....

You stated earlier that...

Again, I ask who in the MLB office, not a pitcher, (nice try) wants a 12-6 hitting the ground called a strike? Better yet, when is the last time you saw a 12-6 hit the ground and called a strike?

Never mind... most everyone knows this answer.



There is a reason why you don't see arguments on a ball beating the runner and the tag is belt high after the feet hit the bag. It's the same reason why the neighborhood play is called the way it is.

The spats that occur are when it is perceived that the accepted perameters have been exceeded. (bad throw, attempted evasive action by a runner...etc)

Grow up. You ask me to answer a question directed at someone else and I honestly addressed it. Stop being a child.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Grow up. You ask me to answer a question directed at someone else and I honestly addressed it. Stop being a child.

"Contemptable", ain't I ???


You answered my question, which was in response to a claim that you made by saying "I don't know".

When called on it, like always, you name call....

A wise man once said, "when you continuously tell people how much you know, you just told them you don't know very much."

Wear that shoe... I'm sure it fits.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by asdf

"Contemptable", ain't I ???


You answered my question, which was in response to a claim that you made by saying "I don't know".

When called on it, like always, you name call....

A wise man once said, "when you continuously tell people how much you know, you just told them you don't know very much."

Wear that shoe... I'm sure it fits.

You asked me to answer for someone in a MLB office. I said that I couldn't and suggested you do it, if you are so intrigued. It is hardly name calling to remind you that you are behaving like a child by doing that. As you say, the shoe fits, wear it.

I never once said I know more than anyone else here. I merely stated that expected calls are becoming extinct.

[APG]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Grow up. You ask me to answer a question directed at someone else and I honestly addressed it. Stop being a child.

It seemed like a very legit question to me. For awhile, you've regaled us about how quality umpires at the top levels are doing away with the expected call (which I do tend to agree with) and are now just "getting it right" which means by the book. Yet, here's an example of a strike by the clear wording of the book, yet umpires almost always call it a ball and have their evulations retoractively corrected to account for this by the powers that be...and everyone in the sport seems okay with this. Is this a case of the umpires putting their rating ahead of the game for their personal gratification as you put it?

I think we as an officiating community are doing away with "expected" calls in all sports not only due to instant replay...as you pointed out, we've had replay for a while now. I think it's largely being done away with because replay technology has improved immensely in the past decade. There are many more replay angles that weren't available in the past. We have HD largely available for most sports fans. We also have almost every game available on TV somewhere...unlike before where you'd only have the "Game of the Week" shown on TV. That means all 162 games by a team in MLB, 82 in the NBA and NHL, and 16 in the NFL are being scrutinized by the average Joe unlike yesteryear.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It seemed like a very legit question to me.

(roll eyes) You think it is legitimate to ask me to answer for a MLB executive? Amazing.

For awhile, you've regaled us about how quality umpires at the top levels are doing away with the expected call (which I do tend to agree with) and are now just "getting it right" which means by the book. Yet, here's an example of a strike by the clear wording of the book, yet umpires almost always call it a ball and have their evulations retoractively corrected to account for this by the powers that be...and everyone in the sport seems okay with this. Is this a case of the umpires putting their rating ahead of the game for their personal gratification as you put it?

Yes. The WUA demanded the concession.

No, not everyone in the sport is 'okay with this'. A number of pitching coaches, catchers and pitchers have spoken out regarding the strike that isn't called.

I think we as an officiating community are doing away with "expected" calls in all sports not only due to instant replay...as you pointed out, we've had replay for a while now. I think it's largely being done away with because replay technology has improved immensely in the past decade. There are many more replay angles that weren't available in the past. We have HD largely available for most sports fans. We also have almost every game available on TV somewhere...unlike before where you'd only have the "Game of the Week" shown on TV. That means all 162 games by a team in MLB, 82 in the NBA and NHL, and 16 in the NFL are being scrutinized by the average Joe unlike yesteryear.

Thanks for agreeing.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

No, not everyone in the sport is 'okay with this'. A number of pitching coaches, catchers and pitchers have spoken out regarding the strike that isn't called.

Really? People in MLB want strikes on breaking pitches where the catchers get dirt? Or when the catcher sets up on the inside corner and has to dive back to stab it on the outside corner?

Well, the old saying is true. You can't always get what you want. Those pitches aren't called strikes at ANY level, so why would they all of a sudden want them at the top level of the game?

[asdf]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

No, not everyone in the sport is 'okay with this'. A number of pitching coaches, catchers and pitchers have spoken out regarding the strike that isn't called.

Why don't you list the names of the "many" or "a number of"?

Give us a source where we can see who spoke out.