Yankees @ Blue Jays

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I do not think signalling nothing was correct. I think he should have signalled "safe". I also think that *if* F3's actions were an appeal, he should have had an out then.

So, it's possible that he did it correctly (either the process has changed *or* what I (and others) read in MLBUM somehow doesn't apply -- and it has to do with some timing issue), or it's possible that he did it incorrectly. Some would say that given the umpire involved, one of those is more likley than the other.

Unless MLB comes out with something, or until another (nearly) identical play happens, we probably won't know.

Your last sentence is so true, and actually a bit of a shame. I fully understand why umpires don't want to be quizzed on their calls, but it would certainly be helpful. With all the games being televised with high scrutiny replay, MLB needs to understand, as you said, that some of these strange calls set a precedent. I don't think it would hurt for ESPN to have the chance to interview an umpire supervisor to ask some of these questions. Otherwise it is just high priests and tabernacles and secret knowledge.

[Larry1953]

OK, really, I am not trying to be annoying (yeah, right) but here goes. I had proposed an R3 situation with 2 outs. I understand that, by rule the run would not have counted after all the confusion at first. However, the B/R could have made a break for 2B after AH failed to signal an out when Posada distinctly stepped on the bag (darn well knowing that he missed it, that would have been his only chance to stay alive). That probably would have made Posada throw down to second to get the out. If the third out was made at 2B, then I guess the run should count?? The Yankees would have then had to get a "fourth out" appeal at 1B to negate the run, right? Obviously that would not have been necessary if AH had signalled out with the tag of the bag - which he probably should have anyway.

[ozzy6900]

Larry - ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Larry1953]

Fine, MLB won't let us in to the holy tabernacle and I can't present cases here. Please, by all means, get back to things that really matter like the merits of heather gray versus charcoal gray pants.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

Fine, MLB won't let us in to the holy tabernacle and I can't present cases here. Please, by all means, get back to things that really matter like the merits of heather gray versus charcoal gray pants.

Right after you admit that maybe, just maybe, you aren't the rules expert you think you are.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

Fine, MLB won't let us in to the holy tabernacle and I can't present cases here. Please, by all means, get back to things that really matter like the merits of heather gray versus charcoal gray pants.

When we post, we say what has to be said and move on. You, on the other hand, go on, and on, and on about nonsense and whimsical situations. No one says you have to leave, just answer a question and be done with it.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Larry - ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You need a bigger font.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Larry - ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What? I couldn't hear you; my wife was yelling in my other ear.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

OK, really, I am not trying to be annoying (yeah, right) but here goes. I had proposed an R3 situation with 2 outs. I understand that, by rule the run would not have counted after all the confusion at first. However, the B/R could have made a break for 2B after AH failed to signal an out when Posada distinctly stepped on the bag (darn well knowing that he missed it, that would have been his only chance to stay alive). That probably would have made Posada throw down to second to get the out. If the third out was made at 2B, then I guess the run should count?? The Yankees would have then had to get a "fourth out" appeal at 1B to negate the run, right? Obviously that would not have been necessary if AH had signalled out with the tag of the bag - which he probably should have anyway.

You are absolutely correct. You are right about everything. You have a phenomenal understanding of the rules and every possible situation that has occurred since 1889. No one can match your intellect or grasp of baseball rules, tradition and folklore. We are extremely blessed that you have come to this site to enlighten us. Thank you.

Happy?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

OK, really, I am not trying to be annoying (yeah, right) but here goes. I had proposed an R3 situation with 2 outs. I understand that, by rule the run would not have counted after all the confusion at first. However, the B/R could have made a break for 2B after AH failed to signal an out when Posada distinctly stepped on the bag (darn well knowing that he missed it, that would have been his only chance to stay alive). That probably would have made Posada throw down to second to get the out. If the third out was made at 2B, then I guess the run should count?? The Yankees would have then had to get a "fourth out" appeal at 1B to negate the run, right? Obviously that would not have been necessary if AH had signalled out with the tag of the bag - which he probably should have anyway.

It's the same as every other missed base appeal. Couldn't be simpler and doesn't need much discussion.