LL All Stars & Travel Team Question

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Next you'll tell me that I need also to know how many innings a pitcher has pitched so I know when he is illegally taking the bump.

It is in NO WAY something any umpire needs to know.

You don't track subs?

So you don't know how long the pitcher's been there?

And you don't know the limits which ARE a real rule?

You picked the wrong example.

And besides, the pitching limits in LL are pitches, not innings - and it's by day - and in majors and minors you can't pitch in two games in a day -and in Juniors and Seniors you cannot pitch in two games in a day if you pitched 31 or more in the first game - and if someone protests you'd darn well better know the rules.

Or is allowing an illegal act OK?

LL 4.19
NOTE 2: All Little League officials are urged to take precautions to prevent protests. When a protest situation is imminent, the potential offender should be notified immediately. Example: should a manager, official scorer, league official or umpire discover that a pitcher is ineligible at the beginning of a game, or will become ineligible during the game or at the start of the next inning of play; the fact should be brought to the attention of the manager ofthe team involved. Such action should not be delayed until the infraction has occurred.

LL 9.01
(a) The league president shall appoint one or more umpires to officiate at each league game. The umpire shall be responsible for the conduct of the game in accordance with these official rules . . .
(b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of Little League Baseball, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules.

OBR 9.01
(a) The league president shall appoint one or more umpires to officiate at each league championship game. The umpires shall be responsible for the conduct of the game in accordance with these official rules .. .
(b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of professional baseball, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules.

NCAA 3-6
b. Each umpire is an approved official of the institution, league or conference
and is authorized and required to enforce each section of these rules.

FED talks in several places about administering the rules, not some of the rules.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

You don't track subs?

So you don't know how long the pitcher's been there?

And you don't know the limits which ARE a real rule?

You picked the wrong example.

And besides, the pitching limits in LL are pitches, not innings - and it's by day - and in majors and minors you can't pitch in two games in a day -and in Juniors and Seniors you cannot pitch in two games in a day if you pitched 31 or more in the first game - and if someone protests you'd darn well better know the rules.

Or is allowing an illegal act OK?

LL 4.19
NOTE 2: All Little League officials are urged to take precautions to prevent protests. When a protest situation is imminent, the potential offender should be notified immediately. Example: should a manager, official scorer, league official or umpire discover that a pitcher is ineligible at the beginning of a game, or will become ineligible during the game or at the start of the next inning of play; the fact should be brought to the attention of the manager ofthe team involved. Such action should not be delayed until the infraction has occurred.

LL 9.01
(a) The league president shall appoint one or more umpires to officiate at each league game. The umpire shall be responsible for the conduct of the game in accordance with these official rules . . .
(b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of Little League Baseball, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules.

OBR 9.01
(a) The league president shall appoint one or more umpires to officiate at each league championship game. The umpires shall be responsible for the conduct of the game in accordance with these official rules .. .
(b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of professional baseball, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules.

NCAA 3-6
b. Each umpire is an approved official of the institution, league or conference
and is authorized and required to enforce each section of these rules.

FED talks in several places about administering the rules, not some of the rules.

The state of Wisconsin has pitching limits for HS baseball. It's made clear to the coaches that umpires are neither expected to know the rules nor try to enforce them at the field. Therefore, I make no effort to know these rules.

I'm guessing it's the same in many states. I have no idea how many innings the pitcher threw earlier in the week and I don't care.

LL is different. I know who is ineligible to pitch before the game starts since the tourney I'm working is ringfenced.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The state of Wisconsin has pitching limits for HS baseball. It's made clear to the coaches that umpires are neither expected to know the rules nor try to enforce them at the field. Therefore, I make no effort to know these rules.

I'm guessing it's the same in many states. I have no idea how many innings the pitcher threw earlier in the week and I don't care.

That's nice but the subject organization is LL (Thread title is: LL All Stars & Travel Team Question)

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The state of Wisconsin has pitching limits for HS baseball. It's made clear to the coaches that umpires are neither expected to know the rules nor try to enforce them at the field. Therefore, I make no effort to know these rules.

I'm guessing it's the same in many states. I have no idea how many innings the pitcher threw earlier in the week and I don't care.

LL is different. I know who is ineligible to pitch before the game starts since the tourney I'm working is ringfenced.

This comes from the basketball side but it's similar...many states have limits to how many quarters a player can play at the varsity level (mainly for players who play on both the JV and varsity level). In no way are we expected to enforce this limit...even if for some reason we know a player was about to go over the limit (say if the officials were working a JV/V doubleheader). If the opposing coach brings this to our attention, we are to treat the substitution/participation as legal as they have broken no actual substitution rules.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Rich you're so full of crap it is hard to give you any credit about anything other than Ratdom.

NFHS does not set pitch limits or even innings pitched.

You example of keeping "tabs on subs" is just another patehic attempt at proving your point.

There is no chance that any umpire needs to know this crap.

Yep.

LL baseball is a big enough farce, then they decided to add their insane instant replay rule to the LLWS. Now it's just a laughing stock.