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[Rich]

There's something alluded to that hasn't gotten enough play here. The missed plate belonged to U1, not the plate guy. The PU should've gone straight to third as soon as U3 went outcand U1 should've rotated down.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There's something alluded to that hasn't gotten enough play here. The missed plate belonged to U1, not the plate guy. The PU should've gone straight to third as soon as U3 went outcand U1 should've rotated down.

Heh. Good catch!

[JJ]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There's something alluded to that hasn't gotten enough play here. The missed plate belonged to U1, not the plate guy. The PU should've gone straight to third as soon as U3 went outcand U1 should've rotated down.

Hmmm...where were the runners before the ball was hit? The PU doesn't rotate to third on a base hit in EVERY situation....if there was a runner on second he stays home...

JJ

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JJ

Hmmm...where were the runners before the ball was hit? The PU doesn't rotate to third on a base hit in EVERY situation....if there was a runner on second he stays home...

JJ

R1 only. It said so in the article and the timing of the video makes this pretty obvious.

There's no way I alter the rotations in this situation, either. It's just as likely there's a big call at third and I'd rather stay on the same page we were on the entire game.

(The only exception I could see is if it was a 3-2 count with 2 outs we might treat that runner if he was an R2 and slide. The timing just doesn't support that, though.)

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

R1 only. It said so in the article and the timing of the video makes this pretty obvious.

There's no way I alter the rotations in this situation, either. It's just as likely there's a big call at third and I'd rather stay on the same page we were on the entire game.

(The only exception I could see is if it was a 3-2 count with 2 outs we might treat that runner if he was an R2 and slide. The timing just doesn't support that, though.)

Have you ever seen / heard of crews, perhaps some with some familiarity with each other, altering some rotations late in games and with winning runs involved?

Just curious,

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Have you ever seen / heard of crews, perhaps some with some familiarity with each other, altering some rotations late in games and with winning runs involved?

Just curious,

It's a poor choice, IMO. Why keep the plate umpire at home? It's almost like saying that U1 isn't as capable of making a call at the plate when he's going to get to the point of the plate easily and make the call the exact same way the plate guy did.

I'm willing to bet that the reason that the PU was where he was is because he felt he had to get to third and then changed his mind. I mean, I don't see U2 sliding to third in the video.

I work a lot of 4-man games over the course of a season with some guys that I regularly work with -- I know we're not altering this rotation.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There's something alluded to that hasn't gotten enough play here. The missed plate belonged to U1, not the plate guy. The PU should've gone straight to third as soon as U3 went outcand U1 should've rotated down.

Yes Rich that is possible but its hard to really tell where the runners were and outs, was runner going, etc. Winning run, I could see leaving the plate guy at home and just sliding or pushing on a clean double. I'm not going to kill the crew for that, but its certainly worth a discussion about end of game rotations / slides in both 3 and 4 man. Nice catch.

[David B]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Yes Rich that is possible but its hard to really tell where the runners were and outs, was runner going, etc. Winning run, I could see leaving the plate guy at home and just sliding or pushing on a clean double. I'm not going to kill the crew for that, but its certainly worth a discussion about end of game rotations / slides in both 3 and 4 man. Nice catch.

Rotation is rotation. You're not going to change that simply because its the end of the game. There is no way communicate that with your fellow officials. But a very good point by Rich. I edited to add since i just saw your other post asking that question.
In all of our playoff games etc, we want the guys going out to cover the fly ball/ catch etc., on every possible situation.

But, I've never heard of changing anything simply because its the end of the game. If anything, I'm wanting F3 to make sure he goes out on a possible play etc.,


Thanks
David