Home plate appeal costs HS Conn team Championship.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

I've been gone from HS ball for a while. I didn't look very hard, but cannot find the rule that prohibits players from being around the plate during a dead ball. As stated above, I recall being told years ago to keep players off the dirt after a HR but cannot find a Fed rule. Can you please cite it?

2nd time you've called this a dead ball. This is a liner to left field. The ball is not dead.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

2nd time you've called this a dead ball. This is a liner to left field. The ball is not dead.

Where did I state that the ball is a liner to left? I asked for a ruling on a HR.

This discussion is fluid. I see no reason to repeat the obvious, the OP has been dissected already. I sought information on a related ruling. Yes, twice, now!

As for the players, 3-3-1a can be invoked and the OHC knows all too well what it involves.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Where did I state that the ball is a liner to left? I asked for a ruling on a HR.

Yeah, you do have a red herring post (#21) over there. The confusion is that you quoted Dave, who quoted Rich - all of whom have been talking about the OP. My apologies for not noticing that your quoting of Dave meant that you were actually replying to yourself.

(PS - as a side note, you do this a lot. You end up in needless arguments with people because you were horribly unclear about who you were referring to or responding to. Not sure if you've noticed.)

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Yeah, you do have a red herring post (#21) over there. The confusion is that you quoted Dave, who quoted Rich - all of whom have been talking about the OP. My apologies for not noticing that your quoting of Dave meant that you were actually replying to yourself.

(PS - as a side note, you do this a lot. You end up in needless arguments with people because you were horribly unclear about who you were referring to or responding to. Not sure if you've noticed.)

No. I quoted Dave because I asked a question of him. I posted a play I had been involved in that addresses a problem we can encounter by interjecting ourselves into a game.

I was not replying to myself. I seek a ruling for the play. I have found none that allow an umpire to prevent players from entering a field during a dead ball during HS level play.

Finally, if you watch the OP again, you will see players enter the field while the ball is alive. They are subject to warning and ejection. They can also be cited for interference.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

No. I quoted Dave because I asked a question of him. I posted a play I had been involved in that addresses a problem we can encounter by interjecting ourselves into a game.

I was not replying to myself. I seek a ruling for the play. I have found none that allow an umpire to prevent players from entering a field during a dead ball during HS level play.

Finally, if you watch the OP again, you will see players enter the field while the ball is alive. They are subject to warning and ejection. They can also be cited for interference.

No, you're right, as usual. Your lack of clarity is completely my fault. Sorry bout that.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No, you're right, as usual. Your lack of clarity is completely my fault. Sorry bout that.

As expected, you cannot accept the fact that you blundered. I asked a very specific question related to the OP, but not involving it. It was asked of Dave. You felt the need to blunder rather than answer my question. Now you feel the need to insult. Sad.

Thankfully, Bob addressed what I already knew. HS umpires do not have a rule to support them from keeping players away from the plate during a celebration on a dead ball. Some understand it to be preventive while others know it to be interjecting and preventing a rules infraction. I try not to do it but it happens. It was meant as advice to others - let them mess up and penalize the infractor(s). The umpire in the OP did.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

As expected, you cannot accept the fact that you blundered. I asked a very specific question related to the OP, but not involving it. It was asked of Dave. You felt the need to blunder rather than answer my question. Now you feel the need to insult. Sad.

Thankfully, Bob addressed what I already knew. HS umpires do not have a rule to support them from keeping players away from the plate during a celebration on a dead ball. Some understand it to be preventive while others know it to be interjecting and preventing a rules infraction. I try not to do it but it happens. It was meant as advice to others - let them mess up and penalize the infractor(s). The umpire in the OP did.

I blundered? In a thread about a liner to left where the apparent winning run scored, you post a semi-related but different situation that happened to you - and posit no question in that post. NO ONE replies to it.

You then quote one person, who was discussing the OP, and ask if there's really any rule about keeping players off the field during a dead ball. (The normal way of asking DAVE a question is PM'ing Dave. If you need everyone to see that you've asked Dave a question, simply put "Dave, " at the beginning of your question. Quoting him, in forum speak, means you are replying to him. He was not in any way referring to your irrelevant post from above.

Yet somehow I blundered by reminding you the ball in our scenario is live.

Incidentally - the answer to your question - whether there is a rule or not regarding keeping people off the field during a dead ball ... is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this situation, and most definitely not "a very specific question related to the OP, but not involving it".

It's remarkable to me that you're unable to understand how threaded conversations work, and repeatedly end up in arguments with people that are completely caused by you're inability to keep things straight ... and somehow this is everyone else's fault.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Where did I state that the ball is a liner to left? I asked for a ruling on a HR.

No rule, as you know.

But, it is generally accepted good game management.

I concede that if you use the words "let him touch" (or similar), some rat* might interpret that as "helping the offense." So, say "let me see".

* -- I don't often use that term, but someone who uses this ploy on a walk-off is one, at least in this instance.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No rule, as you know.

But, it is generally accepted good game management.

I concede that if you use the words "let him touch" (or similar), some rat* might interpret that as "helping the offense." So, say "let me see".

* -- I don't often use that term, but someone who uses this ploy on a walk-off is one, at least in this instance.

Thanks Bob. Yes, I knew that there wasn't a rule about this in HS ball. My attempt to evolve the dialogue and banish a myth is for naught. In the OP, the PU had the best look at the runner from where he stood. He has to watch the touch at third, be in position for a possible rundown and fall back for a play at the dish. Third base extended wouldn't work for him too well. He may have been able to prevent the mob by being there, but anticipating that over watching his duties is not likely.