Home plate appeal costs HS Conn team Championship.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Yeah, you do have a red herring post (#21) over there. The confusion is that you quoted Dave, who quoted Rich - all of whom have been talking about the OP. My apologies for not noticing that your quoting of Dave meant that you were actually replying to yourself.

(PS - as a side note, you do this a lot. You end up in needless arguments with people because you were horribly unclear about who you were referring to or responding to. Not sure if you've noticed.)

No. I quoted Dave because I asked a question of him. I posted a play I had been involved in that addresses a problem we can encounter by interjecting ourselves into a game.

I was not replying to myself. I seek a ruling for the play. I have found none that allow an umpire to prevent players from entering a field during a dead ball during HS level play.

Finally, if you watch the OP again, you will see players enter the field while the ball is alive. They are subject to warning and ejection. They can also be cited for interference.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

No. I quoted Dave because I asked a question of him. I posted a play I had been involved in that addresses a problem we can encounter by interjecting ourselves into a game.

I was not replying to myself. I seek a ruling for the play. I have found none that allow an umpire to prevent players from entering a field during a dead ball during HS level play.

Finally, if you watch the OP again, you will see players enter the field while the ball is alive. They are subject to warning and ejection. They can also be cited for interference.

No, you're right, as usual. Your lack of clarity is completely my fault. Sorry bout that.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No, you're right, as usual. Your lack of clarity is completely my fault. Sorry bout that.

As expected, you cannot accept the fact that you blundered. I asked a very specific question related to the OP, but not involving it. It was asked of Dave. You felt the need to blunder rather than answer my question. Now you feel the need to insult. Sad.

Thankfully, Bob addressed what I already knew. HS umpires do not have a rule to support them from keeping players away from the plate during a celebration on a dead ball. Some understand it to be preventive while others know it to be interjecting and preventing a rules infraction. I try not to do it but it happens. It was meant as advice to others - let them mess up and penalize the infractor(s). The umpire in the OP did.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

As expected, you cannot accept the fact that you blundered. I asked a very specific question related to the OP, but not involving it. It was asked of Dave. You felt the need to blunder rather than answer my question. Now you feel the need to insult. Sad.

Thankfully, Bob addressed what I already knew. HS umpires do not have a rule to support them from keeping players away from the plate during a celebration on a dead ball. Some understand it to be preventive while others know it to be interjecting and preventing a rules infraction. I try not to do it but it happens. It was meant as advice to others - let them mess up and penalize the infractor(s). The umpire in the OP did.

I blundered? In a thread about a liner to left where the apparent winning run scored, you post a semi-related but different situation that happened to you - and posit no question in that post. NO ONE replies to it.

You then quote one person, who was discussing the OP, and ask if there's really any rule about keeping players off the field during a dead ball. (The normal way of asking DAVE a question is PM'ing Dave. If you need everyone to see that you've asked Dave a question, simply put "Dave, " at the beginning of your question. Quoting him, in forum speak, means you are replying to him. He was not in any way referring to your irrelevant post from above.

Yet somehow I blundered by reminding you the ball in our scenario is live.

Incidentally - the answer to your question - whether there is a rule or not regarding keeping people off the field during a dead ball ... is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this situation, and most definitely not "a very specific question related to the OP, but not involving it".

It's remarkable to me that you're unable to understand how threaded conversations work, and repeatedly end up in arguments with people that are completely caused by you're inability to keep things straight ... and somehow this is everyone else's fault.

[MikeStrybel]

Dave and Rich were talking about keeping players away from the plate so everyone can see the touch or lack thereof. I related an experience that shows this to be divisive amongst umpires - don't prevent a player from breaking a rule. I asked Dave to cite the rule that allows umpires to keep players away so he can make that call. There is none, as Bob and I have stated twice now.

Finally, thanks for making my point - I asked a question of Dave and you jumped in, not with an answer but a blunder. I quoted him because I wanted him to respond. I never said that he was responding to me. Plenty of people quote others without having offered a prior statement here. Seriously, you messed up and cannot admit it. Threads evolve and questions are asked involving new scenarios all of the time in this forum. You failed to read what I wrote and now want to blame your lack of comprehension on me. Bob read it and responded appropriately. It must have been clear enough for him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Finally, thanks for making my point - I asked a question of Dave and you jumped in, not with an answer but a blunder. I quoted him because I wanted him to respond. I never said that he was responding to me. Plenty of people quote others without having offered a prior statement here. Seriously, you messed up and cannot admit it. Threads evolve and questions are asked involving new scenarios all of the time in this forum. You failed to read what I wrote and now want to blame your lack of comprehension on me. Bob read it and responded appropriately. It must have been clear enough for him.

Sorry, but I read it the same way he did. They (including Dave) were all referring to the OP, and you referred to Dave's post by asking if there was a rule. It sure looked like you were looking for rules backing for his post ("keep them away") and calling it a dead ball.

Just $.02 from someone without a dog in this particular fight.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Dave and Rich were talking about keeping players away from the plate so everyone can see the touch or lack thereof. I related an experience that shows this to be divisive amongst umpires - don't prevent a player from breaking a rule.

I'm telling the player to "let him touch" so I can see it. I'm not telling the runner to touch, after all.