Texas - ASU game 3

[zm1283]

Don't see interference from what the video shows.

[umpjim]

Box score shows Wilson out on BI with a (3-2 KBFBB) count. They show no BB for him.
http://http://www.texassports.com/sp....html#GAME.PLY

[jicecone]

Inter what? That wasn't close. Neither was the attempt.

PU had to have a brain freeze about ball four. BR even hesitates until catcher releases ball. Of course F2 also had a brain freeze. He is allowed to throw to second but I certainly wouldn't be calling interference on this unless BR went out of his way to interfer.

And the announcers, well you have to have a brain before it can become frozen on you.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Inter what? That wasn't close. Neither was the attempt.

PU had to have a brain freeze about ball four. BR even hesitates until catcher releases ball. Of course F2 also had a brain freeze. He is allowed to throw to second but I certainly wouldn't be calling interference on this unless BR went out of his way to interfer.

And the announcers, well you have to have a brain before it can become frozen on you.

I'm not convinced from the video we've seen that I would call this INT either - but we should also remember that PU has the opposite angle we do, and was closer.

How did F2 have a brain freeze - on a 3-2 count and a steal (AND a check swing), you aren't going to wait for the call or the appeal on the swing to throw the ball - you're going to throw it down first.

[umpjim]

If it was ball 4 he was no longer a batter so how do they get BI?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Box score shows Wilson out on BI with a (3-2 KBFBB) count. They show no BB for him.
http://http://www.texassports.com/sp....html#GAME.PLY

Not up to speed on scoring but perusing a better link to this game's scoring I see that any other player's BB had 4 B's in the player's at bat recap:

Arizona St. vs Texas - Baseball Division I - June 12, 2011 - NCAA.com

Wilson's at bat does not. Was he in limbo until ump said ball 4 and thus he was a batter and not a BR and thus called out for BI? Did the pitcher not walk him? What did they do with that pitch?

[txump81]

PU came up with BI by pointing towards the BR with his left hand and a fist on the right. He then realized it was ball 4 and seemed to reverse his call. Then Garriso came out to argue and the umpires got together and 4 had a brain freeze. F4 mishandled a mediocre throw to 1B. He took his eyes off the ball and was thinking about the tag. If I was ASU coach, I might have said the magic "P" word.

From what I saw, the BR didn't cross in front of F2 until F2's arm was back by his side. Don't see how that is INT.

[UmpTTS43]

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

[umpjim]

Has anybody officially said it was a missed call? The scorebook doesn't give Wison a BB. He gets BI after B3.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

Where do you get this impression? Who said as much? Who has said the umpire shouldn't be working that level? Can't plays get discussed here so others can learn as well?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

Condescend much?

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Condescend much?

When I can.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

That's not the point. This was a 3rd trimester abortion and totally inexcusable in a Super Regional game. We all have made mistakes, myself included, but to make one like this, which was totally avoidable, is unacceptable. The call itself was bad enough, but to have all 4 guys get together and sustain the bad call? Completely unacceptable.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UMP25

That's not the point. This was a 3rd trimester abortion and totally inexcusable in a Super Regional game. We all have made mistakes, myself included, but to make one like this, which was totally avoidable, is unacceptable. The call itself was bad enough, but to have all 4 guys get together and sustain the bad call? Completely unacceptable.

The huddle wasn't going to change this. Taking that long to figure out what to do in the case of interference was a bit embarrassing. But once PU declares interference, the result was actually the correct result.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UMP25

That's not the point. This was a 3rd trimester abortion and totally inexcusable in a Super Regional game. We all have made mistakes, myself included, but to make one like this, which was totally avoidable, is unacceptable. The call itself was bad enough, but to have all 4 guys get together and sustain the bad call? Completely unacceptable.

While I didn't see interference, I'm not quite sure what the other umpires could have done. Given that it was called, I think the correct ruling was made (BR out, R1 returns).

Maybe (and this is pure speculation, I admit), PU has the BR timing his movement across the plate to get in F2's way ==> intentional interference with a throw.

Until (and If) something comes out from NCAA, I don't know that we'll know what happened and whether it was just judgment, or a rule, or what.