Illegal batter & tourney sub questions

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by PirateMike1973

however, in practice, in our LL, the official scorekeeper is in the "rules business" with the PU.

LL does not give you that authority. You might help PU administer the game ... when he asks.

One point not mentioned here... the possibility that YOU are the wrong party and announce the wrong batter - who then rushes to the plate instead of the proper batter. You've now CAUSED a BOO, adversely affecting the game.

Keep in mind at all times - scorekeeper's official duties are to keep track. PA's duties are to announce what is happening - not to affect it.

[lawump]

How to answer part A of the OP? Should I answer as an umpire, or as a former assistant SID who also did the baseball public address announcing?

What the hell, I'll go with the latter:

If it is the visitors who are sending the wrong batter up, you announce the wrong batter's name loudly and drawn out (so your team's head coach starts thinking to himself: WTF?).

If it is your team who is sending up the wrong batter, you announce the proper batter's name so that the wrong batter will stop dead in his tracks.



Seriously (as this is an umpire board) I have no changes to what was posted above.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

LL does not give you that authority. You might help PU administer the game ... when he asks.

[True and righteous observations deleted.]

Little League may be weird this way. Little League officials are urged to prevent protestable events in general (Note 2 to Rule 4.19). Scorekeepers are designated officials for the game. So, it would not be out of line for a scorekeeper to bring an illegal substitution (say an ineligible pitcher) to PU's attention unbidden.

BOO, of course, is not a protestable event, and announcing the actual batter at the plate is the correct way to handle this situation.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

Little League may be weird this way. Little League officials are urged to prevent protestable events in general (Note 2 to Rule 4.19). Scorekeepers are designated officials for the game. So, it would not be out of line for a scorekeeper to bring an illegal substitution (say an ineligible pitcher) to PU's attention unbidden.

BOO, of course, is not a protestable event, and announcing the actual batter at the plate is the correct way to handle this situation.

Don't understand why you posted this. You post something inapplicable to the situation, and then mention why it does not apply. Very odd.

Your 2nd paragraph is spot on. Regarding the first, I'd ask you to read the section of the book regardin scorekeeper duties. Yes - you're an "official". But it WOULD be out of line to bring up BOO or in any way cause it to be noticed.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Don't understand why you posted this. You post something inapplicable to the situation, and then mention why it does not apply. Very odd.

Your 2nd paragraph is spot on. Regarding the first, I'd ask you to read the section of the book regardin scorekeeper duties. Yes - you're an "official". But it WOULD be out of line to bring up BOO or in any way cause it to be noticed.

In your post that I was responding to, you said that "[The scorekeeper] might help PU administer the game ... when [the PU] asks." That might be misconstrued as a general statement about LL scorekeeper duties in every case.

I was pointing out, and being very clear that it didn't pertain to BOO, that there are circumstances when LL urges the scorekeeper to help administer the game without being asked. I don't think that is common in other rule sets, so I pointed it out for folks not as familiar with LL.

I'm sorry for the confusion.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Don't understand why you posted this. You post something inapplicable to the situation, and then mention why it does not apply. Very odd.

Your 2nd paragraph is spot on. Regarding the first, I'd ask you to read the section of the book regardin scorekeeper duties. Yes - you're an "official". But it WOULD be out of line to bring up BOO or in any way cause it to be noticed.

He is correct that the scorekeeper is expected to catch illegal or ineligible substitutions in Little League to prevent a possible protest. BOO is not one of these.

Some examples might be: A catcher who has caught four innings is ineligible to pitch. A substitute who has not yet batted and the starter he subbed for comes up to bat. The scorekeeper is required to question these if they happen if they catch it.

Rita

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

Little League may be weird this way. Little League officials are urged to prevent protestable events in general (Note 2 to Rule 4.19). .

BOO is not a protestable event so this doesn't apply.

The scorekeeper is forbidden to call it to anyone's attention. The umpires are forbidden to call it to anyone's attention. It is specifically the defense's job to notice it. See 6.07 Note:

In OBR the scorekeeper prohibition is in rule 10. It's not just a LL rule.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

BOO is not a protestable event so this doesn't apply.

The scorekeeper is forbidden to call it to anyone's attention. The umpires are forbidden to call it to anyone's attention. It is specifically the defense's job to notice it. See 6.07 Note:

In OBR the scorekeeper prohibition is in rule 10. It's not just a LL rule.

Everybody in this thread agrees with that. Even the original poster knew this, but was curious about which way to avoid calling attention to BOO.

My point was different, small, and probably LL specific. It certainly isn't worth a third attempt to clarify.

I'll call this on myself. WOBW.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

Everybody in this thread agrees with that. Even the original poster knew this, but was curious about which way to avoid calling attention to BOO.

My point was different, small, and probably LL specific. It certainly isn't worth a third attempt to clarify.

I'll call this on myself. WOBW.

I got it.

Rita

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

BOO is not a protestable event so this doesn't apply.

The scorekeeper is forbidden to call it to anyone's attention. The umpires are forbidden to call it to anyone's attention. It is specifically the defense's job to notice it. See 6.07 Note:

In OBR the scorekeeper prohibition is in rule 10. It's not just a LL rule.

And he did point that out, Rich.

Rita

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Rita C

And he did point that out, Rich.

Rita

He pointed out that it wasn't protestable.

He didn't point out the rules requiring silence which needed to be there as others were trying to understand the scorekeepers role. Perhaps I should have made it a separate post. Sorry if I somehow offended.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

He pointed out that it wasn't protestable.

He didn't point out the rules requiring silence which needed to be there as others were trying to understand the scorekeepers role. Perhaps I should have made it a separate post. Sorry if I somehow offended.

Got it. No offense taken. Not by me anyway.

Rita

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Sorry if I somehow offended.

No offense taken by me.