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Old Wed Jun 01, 2011, 10:48pm
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Dave,

Not be argumentative, but I still believe it's definitely a HTBT play.

I'm not disputing your point about the importance of the rule interp, but an essential element of the criteria is "...deliberate intent to break up a double play...".

Personally, I've got to see that to call it.

Earlier, I called it the "OBR FSPR" on purpose.

Nobody ever calls it that, but I think that's what it is. The criteria for violation are materially different, but it's still an FPSR - IMO.

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Old Wed Jun 01, 2011, 10:55pm
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Not be argumentative, but I still believe it's definitely a HTBT play.

I'm not disputing your point about the importance of the rule interp, but an essential element of the criteria is "...deliberate intent to break up a double play...".

Personally, I've got to see that to call it.
When a runner goes after a pivot man on a play like that - I don't think there is any doubt, whatsoever, what his intent is.

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Earlier, I called it the "OBR FSPR" on purpose.

Nobody ever calls it that, but I think that's what it is. The criteria for violation are materially different, but it's still an FPSR - IMO.
I figured you might have meant it in that way.

However, the rule about being within reach of the base for the slide to be legal would apply even if it were not a force play - wouldn't it? I'm not sure.
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Old Wed Jun 01, 2011, 11:00pm
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However, the rule about being within reach of the base for the slide to be legal would apply even if it were not a force play - wouldn't it? I'm not sure.
Dave,

I don't believe it would, were it not a force play.

7.08(a)(1) might.

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Old Wed Jun 01, 2011, 10:58pm
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Dave, an important part of your ruling on this type of play is that the offense is trying to cheat by taking out the fielder to prevent a play on the BR. When they cheat, we penalize both the cheater and the BR.
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Old Wed Jun 01, 2011, 11:34pm
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Dave, an important part of your ruling on this type of play is that the offense is trying to cheat by taking out the fielder to prevent a play on the BR. When they cheat, we penalize both the cheater and the BR.
BUT if they slide legally it isn't cheating. "Legal" is much different in OBR vs. FED.
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Old Wed Jun 01, 2011, 11:37pm
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BUT if they slide legally it isn't cheating. "Legal" is much different in OBR vs. FED.
I agree Rich, I was going off the OP that the runner was beyond his reach of the base. Although I've seen it called in MLB, it's rare at that level. My first thoguht was that the fielder was in front of the bag, which I would agree legal.
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