Pitcher re-entering the game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

This situation happened in a JV game yesterday that MTD, Jr., and I had. I would like rulings using NFHS, NCAA, and MLB/OBR rule sets.


SITUATION: #22/Able (Visitors), starts at F5 in the 7th spot in the batting order. In the bottom of the 5th inning, #22/Able switches position with #10/Baker and becomes the new F1 and takes 8 warm-up pitches. In the top of the 6th inning, #22/Able comes up to bat and gets on base. At this point the V-HC decides to Pinch Run (that's right, Pinch Run, not use a Courtsey Runner for F1) and #14/Charlie comes in to Pinch Run for #22/Able. At the start of the bottom of the 6th inning, #22/Able re-enters the game for #14/Charlie. In our game #22/Able only used 5 warm-up pitches when he re-entered the game but would the rules allowed him to have 8 warm-up pitches when he re-entered the game (keeping in mind that he was still the pitcher of record while #14/Charlie was in the game even though he was no longer in the game)?

MTD, Sr.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

This situation happened in a JV game yesterday that MTD, Jr., and I had. I would like rulings using NFHS, NCAA, and MLB/OBR rule sets.


SITUATION: #22/Able (Visitors), starts at F5 in the 7th spot in the batting order. In the bottom of the 5th inning, #22/Able switches position with #10/Baker and becomes the new F1 and takes 8 warm-up pitches. In the top of the 6th inning, #22/Able comes up to bat and gets on base. At this point the V-HC decides to Pinch Run (that's right, Pinch Run, not use a Courtsey Runner for F1) and #14/Charlie comes in to Pinch Run for #22/Able. At the start of the bottom of the 6th inning, #22/Able re-enters the game for #14/Charlie. In our game #22/Able only used 5 warm-up pitches when he re-entered the game but would the rules allowed him to have 8 warm-up pitches when he re-entered the game (keeping in mind that he was still the pitcher of record while #14/Charlie was in the game even though he was no longer in the game)?

MTD, Sr.

NCAA and MLB/OBR he can't re-enter once removed for the PR so it's moot.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

This situation happened in a JV game yesterday that MTD, Jr., and I had. I would like rulings using NFHS, NCAA, and MLB/OBR rule sets.


SITUATION: #22/Able (Visitors), starts at F5 in the 7th spot in the batting order. In the bottom of the 5th inning, #22/Able switches position with #10/Baker and becomes the new F1 and takes 8 warm-up pitches. In the top of the 6th inning, #22/Able comes up to bat and gets on base. At this point the V-HC decides to Pinch Run (that's right, Pinch Run, not use a Courtsey Runner for F1) and #14/Charlie comes in to Pinch Run for #22/Able. At the start of the bottom of the 6th inning, #22/Able re-enters the game for #14/Charlie. In our game #22/Able only used 5 warm-up pitches when he re-entered the game but would the rules allowed him to have 8 warm-up pitches when he re-entered the game (keeping in mind that he was still the pitcher of record while #14/Charlie was in the game even though he was no longer in the game)?

MTD, Sr.

The coach is brain dead for not using #14 as a courtesy runner, unless of course #14 was already used as a courtesy runner for the catcher earlier in the game.

I'd give the pitcher 5 pitches. If pressed, I'd use the same reasoning you did, but I'm guessing it wouldn't come to that.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The coach is brain dead for not using #14 as a courtesy runner, unless of course #14 was already used as a courtesy runner for the catcher earlier in the game.

I'd give the pitcher 5 pitches. If pressed, I'd use the same reasoning you did, but I'm guessing it wouldn't come to that.

Rich:

The decision never was made by Junior (he was the PU for his "Old Man") because #14 was ready to go after just 5 pitches, but we were discussing the play over lemonade and pizza after the game.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rich:

The decision never was made by Junior (he was the PU for his "Old Man") because #14 was ready to go after just 5 pitches, but we were discussing the play over lemonade and pizza after the game.

MTD, Sr.

Lemonade? Is that code?

[DG]

Would the new pitcher, whomever that may be, need to pitch to one batter before Able could re-enter to pitch? And then, wouldn't he be allowed 8 pitches if he wanted them?

[johnnyg08]

Would you make a big deal over three pitches?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DG

Would the new pitcher, whomever that may be, need to pitch to one batter before Able could re-enter to pitch? And then, wouldn't he be allowed 8 pitches if he wanted them?

In NFHS baseball? There is no new pitcher ever in the game. #14 is a PR and #22 simply re-enters.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Would you make a big deal over three pitches?

Of course not. I wouldn't have to, though because the catcher would throw the fifth one down on his own.

[JJ]

Any pitcher entering (or re-entering) the game - or the position - is entitled to 8 warmup pitches, unless he chooses not to take that many. If a coach switches his pitcher with another position player for one batter and then switches them back, the re-entering pitcher is entitled to 8 warmups, because he's now technically a relief pitcher (even though he may have "started" the game at that position).
Isn't it a great game?

JJ

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JJ

Any pitcher entering (or re-entering) the game - or the position - is entitled to 8 warmup pitches, unless he chooses not to take that many. If a coach switches his pitcher with another position player for one batter and then switches them back, the re-entering pitcher is entitled to 8 warmups, because he's now technically a relief pitcher (even though he may have "started" the game at that position).
Isn't it a great game?

JJ

None of what you wrote is in dispute. No pitcher ever replaced the starter in the original situation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

(keeping in mind that he was still the pitcher of record

6-2-2C Excp "When a pitcher is replaced ... the relief pitcher may not use more than eight throws.'

No replacement, 5 throws.